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Master Geek
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#2095758 24-Sep-2018 19:52

You might want to take a chill pill Fred - so far the only “unsubstantiated personal attacks” in the past few pages seem to be yours.

Everything else looks like commentary on already published material.

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rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095760 24-Sep-2018 19:53

Rikkitic:
Benefit of banning oil and gas pollution: incalculable. Someone has to be the first.

Big call but illogical reasoning. There's actually no valid reason to stop EXPLORATION because it's the consumption not the exploration that causes problems.

Fred99

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#2095764 24-Sep-2018 19:57

rjt123:
Fred99:

6FIEND:

But I will continue to criticise her for continuing to appear to be inexperienced, incompetent, idealistic, reckless, and furtive.

Yet you've devoted several pages of this thread arguing about whether the use of "spouse" on Clarke's ID card was a scandal, and that the NYT correcting an article where they'd incorrectly used the term "husband" was evidence of something worth talking about, some kind of conspiracy?

It wouldn't be newsworthy except she's so damned set on being 'progressive' at the expense of everything else.

It's not newsworthy. Full. Stop.

The opposite of "progressive" is "regressive". Learn.your.sad.dogma.com

rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095765 24-Sep-2018 19:59

....but these reforms, particularly changes to the 90-day rule and union rights to enter workplaces represent a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.

This sums this government up perfectly. A triumph of ideology over pragmatism. Well said.

Fred99

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#2095767 24-Sep-2018 20:01

rjt123:
Rikkitic:

Benefit of banning oil and gas pollution: incalculable. Someone has to be the first.

Big call but illogical reasoning. There's actually no valid reason to stop EXPLORATION because it's the consumption not the exploration that causes problems.

Well (no pun intended) it would be rather disingenuous for a government to offer to oil exploration companies the opportunity to conduct exploration surveys, if that government had no intention of allowing exploitation of any resource found. That would be illogical.

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#2095769 24-Sep-2018 20:04

rjt123:
Fred99:

6FIEND:

But I will continue to criticise her for continuing to appear to be inexperienced, incompetent, idealistic, reckless, and furtive.

Yet you've devoted several pages of this thread arguing about whether the use of "spouse" on Clarke's ID card was a scandal, and that the NYT correcting an article where they'd incorrectly used the term "husband" was evidence of something worth talking about, some kind of conspiracy?

It wouldn't be newsworthy except she's so damned set on being 'progressive' at the expense of everything else.

This makes no sense. Where is she being progressive in this case?

Fred99

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#2095771 24-Sep-2018 20:05

rjt123:
....but these reforms, particularly changes to the 90-day rule and union rights to enter workplaces represent a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.

This sums this government up perfectly. A triumph of ideology over pragmatism. Well said.

Unless you were of the opinion that the 90 day rule and disallowing access to workplaces by union reps wasn't of benefit to workers, in which case it would be a triumph of pragmatism over ideology.

So I call BS to your claim. The issues of whether the 90 day rule etc works or it doesn't shouldn't be an "ideological" debate - lest nutters believe their own ideology and ignore facts.

Rikkitic

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#2095772 24-Sep-2018 20:05

rjt123:

Big call but illogical reasoning. There's actually no valid reason to stop EXPLORATION because it's the consumption not the exploration that causes problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

I would point out to you that Deepwater Horizon was an exploration rig. I especially like this bit: "Due to the months-long spill, along with adverse effects from the response and cleanup activities, extensive damage to marine and wildlife habitats and fishing and tourism industries was reported. In Louisiana, 4,900,000 pounds (2,200 t) of oily material was removed from the beaches in 2013, over double the amount collected in 2012. Oil cleanup crews worked four days a week on 55 miles (89 km) of Louisiana shoreline throughout 2013. Oil continued to be found as far from the Macondo site as the waters off the Florida Panhandle and Tampa Bay, where scientists said the oil and dispersant mixture is embedded in the sand. In April 2013, it was reported that dolphins and other marine life continued to die in record numbers with infant dolphins dying at six times the normal rate. One study released in 2014 reported that tuna and amberjack that were exposed to oil from the spill developed deformities of the heart and other organs that would be expected to be fatal or at least life-shortening and another study found that cardiotoxicity might have been widespread in animal life exposed to the spill."

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rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095773 24-Sep-2018 20:05

Fred99:
It's not newsworthy. Full. Stop.

Nope but it was lol material.

The opposite of "progressive" is "regressive". Learn.your.sad.dogma.com

Yes. And there nothing more equalising than communism, if equality and all those noble 'progressive' ideals take precedence over economic well-being of the country.

Fred99

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#2095774 24-Sep-2018 20:10

rjt123:
Fred99:

It's not newsworthy. Full. Stop.

Nope but it was lol material.

The opposite of "progressive" is "regressive". Learn.your.sad.dogma.com

Yes. And there nothing more equalising than communism, if equality and all those noble 'progressive' ideals take precedence over economic well-being of the country.

If GDP is the measure of "economic well being", then the country is in better shape than it's been for a few years!

The last "communist" leader in this country (in favour of state control over the means of production etc) was a conservative - not a "progressive".

rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095778 24-Sep-2018 20:14

Rikkitic:
rjt123:

Big call but illogical reasoning. There's actually no valid reason to stop EXPLORATION because it's the consumption not the exploration that causes problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

I would point out to you that Deepwater Horizon was an exploration rig. I especially like this bit: "Due to the months-long spill, along with adverse effects from the response and cleanup activities, extensive damage to marine and wildlife habitats and fishing and tourism industries was reported. In Louisiana, 4,900,000 pounds (2,200 t) of oily material was removed from the beaches in 2013, over double the amount collected in 2012. Oil cleanup crews worked four days a week on 55 miles (89 km) of Louisiana shoreline throughout 2013. Oil continued to be found as far from the Macondo site as the waters off the Florida Panhandle and Tampa Bay, where scientists said the oil and dispersant mixture is embedded in the sand. In April 2013, it was reported that dolphins and other marine life continued to die in record numbers with infant dolphins dying at six times the normal rate. One study released in 2014 reported that tuna and amberjack that were exposed to oil from the spill developed deformities of the heart and other organs that would be expected to be fatal or at least life-shortening and another study found that cardiotoxicity might have been widespread in animal life exposed to the spill."

Apparently in a little country called NZ there was a car accident. So they banned all cars. Said nobody, ever.

So if there's a drilling rig accident why ban all rigs. Ideological? Or a well considered decision based on sound reasoning? Given the negligible, or even negative environmental benefits, the exquisite economic cost one's mind boggles at the extent to which this government would go disadvantage the nation on the name of progress - and the blind support they have for their madness.

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#2095782 24-Sep-2018 20:18

rjt123:
Rikkitic:

rjt123:

Big call but illogical reasoning. There's actually no valid reason to stop EXPLORATION because it's the consumption not the exploration that causes problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

I would point out to you that Deepwater Horizon was an exploration rig. I especially like this bit: "Due to the months-long spill, along with adverse effects from the response and cleanup activities, extensive damage to marine and wildlife habitats and fishing and tourism industries was reported. In Louisiana, 4,900,000 pounds (2,200 t) of oily material was removed from the beaches in 2013, over double the amount collected in 2012. Oil cleanup crews worked four days a week on 55 miles (89 km) of Louisiana shoreline throughout 2013. Oil continued to be found as far from the Macondo site as the waters off the Florida Panhandle and Tampa Bay, where scientists said the oil and dispersant mixture is embedded in the sand. In April 2013, it was reported that dolphins and other marine life continued to die in record numbers with infant dolphins dying at six times the normal rate. One study released in 2014 reported that tuna and amberjack that were exposed to oil from the spill developed deformities of the heart and other organs that would be expected to be fatal or at least life-shortening and another study found that cardiotoxicity might have been widespread in animal life exposed to the spill."

Apparently in a little country called NZ there was a car accident. So they banned all cars. Said nobody, ever.

So if there's a drilling rig accident why ban all rigs. Ideological? Or a well considered decision based on sound reasoning? Given the negligible, or even negative environmental benefits, the exquisite economic cost one's mind boggles at the extent to which this government would go disadvantage the nation on the name of progress - and the blind support they have for their madness.

You may wish to read some info on climate change.

rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095785 24-Sep-2018 20:20

Fred99:
If GDP is the measure of "economic well being", then the country is in better shape than it's been for a few years!

The last "communist" leader in this country (in favour of state control over the means of production etc) was a conservative - not a "progressive".

Long may the country remain in good shape.

And if we are talking history, the last 'progressive' leader we had virtually destroyed the economy -despite the relatively prosperous global economy at the time.

rjt123

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Ultimate Geek
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#2095787 24-Sep-2018 20:23

MikeB4:
You may wish to read some info on climate change.

Climate change and drilling rig accidents are not related...?

Also, nobody has ever been able to explain how the governments oil and gas ban has had any positive environmental benefits. In fact I'm struggling to see past the ideology...

Rikkitic

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#2095788 24-Sep-2018 20:25

rjt123:

Apparently in a little country called NZ there was a car accident. So they banned all cars. Said nobody, ever.

So if there's a drilling rig accident why ban all rigs. Ideological? Or a well considered decision based on sound reasoning? Given the negligible, or even negative environmental benefits, the exquisite economic cost one's mind boggles at the extent to which this government would go disadvantage the nation on the name of progress - and the blind support they have for their madness.

Now you are just ranting. You stated {quote} "exploration does not cause problems" {unquote}. I demonstrated that it does. I am not the one resorting to illogical reasoning.

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