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  Reply # 2110951 19-Oct-2018 13:09
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He may not survive this, but I believe that the time taken to be leader in opposition would ultimately make him a better potential PM, something I advocated JA doing before being thrust into prime time.

 

 

On the basis of your principle that experience makes for a better leader, I assume you now believe that JA will be an absolute crackerjack of a PM when she wins the next election? 

 

 

 

 

In management experience is one of the best qualifications. I know that when I took my first management role at 19 I was woefully ill prepared. 





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  Reply # 2110963 19-Oct-2018 13:41
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Rikkitic:

 

On the basis of your principle that experience makes for a better leader, I assume you now believe that JA will be an absolute crackerjack of a PM when she wins the next election? 

 

 

Experience isn't everything.  You also need acumen and the right attitude and priorities.

 

JA had little leadership experience of any kind before becoming PM.  Never a minister, never in cabinet, never in charge of anything really.  No real-world experience to draw on.  It shows.  She has star power, but that is all.





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  Reply # 2110970 19-Oct-2018 13:54
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Politics is all about money.  No money no campaign.  No campaign, no votes.

 

Do donors have to be on the electoral role?  Are the requirements to be on the electoral role the same as the requirements to reside in NZ?

 

The labour party sells list places to the unions every single election.  Between elections the unions effectively get to choose labour's leader.  They do so using money collected from their membership.

 

Trading off ethnicities ... again it's about votes.  How big is the Chinese community vs the Indian community and how more likely to vote National.  I agree it's ugly but it's not unique to the NP.   Do you really think other parties don't consider the market appeal of their mix of MPs' gender and ethnicities?  

 

It's all voter-focussed marketing.

 

 

Ask yourself whether some better method than looking at the electoral roll meets the requirements of the Electoral Act.  You could go door knocking and/or look in the white pages I guess.

 

In any case, it was very clear from the recorded conversation between the MP and the Leader that donations from "phantom" people could be a problem.  (This is not the same as the requirement to disclose donations >$30k - where a return must be filed within 10 working days.)

 

Section 205C (2)(b)
The following information about any contribution that, either on its own or when aggregated with other contributions made by or on behalf of the same contributor to the donation, exceeds $1,500 in sum or value:
(i) the name of the contributor; and
(ii) the address of the contributor; and
(iii) whether the contributor is an overseas person within the meaning of section 207K; and
(iv) the amount of the contribution or, in the case of aggregated contributions, the total amount of the aggregated contributions; and (etc...)

 

What Labour does is NOT the question here - that in reply to your blatant "whataboutism" argument about seats for unions.  If you know about that as fact, then clearly it's not sneaky, underhand, and racially based as the National Party seem to be comfortable with.  Trading off ethnicities shouldn't be happening - in my opinion.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2110977 19-Oct-2018 14:01
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MikeAqua:

 

Rikkitic:

 

On the basis of your principle that experience makes for a better leader, I assume you now believe that JA will be an absolute crackerjack of a PM when she wins the next election? 

 

 

Experience isn't everything.  You also need acumen and the right attitude and priorities.

 

JA had little leadership experience of any kind before becoming PM.  Never a minister, never in cabinet, never in charge of anything really.  No real-world experience to draw on.  It shows.  She has star power, but that is all.

 

 

 

Yet - according to the last poll result I read, she was clearly preferred PM with a 4:1 margin over SB.


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  Reply # 2110981 19-Oct-2018 14:05
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Yet - according to the last poll result I read, she was clearly preferred PM with a 4:1 margin over SB.

 

 

Heh, it was pretty much the same but in the opposite direction in the leadup, and yet here she is, PM.

 

 


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  Reply # 2110982 19-Oct-2018 14:06
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Andrew Little was one of the least preferred options, but he had been leader at the time and Winston had gone with Labour, he would be our PM.

 

I am not even sure AL would have voted for AL last election :)


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  Reply # 2110984 19-Oct-2018 14:16
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When is the next Colmar Brunton Poll or any other reasonably reliable poll. It will be interesting to see the results


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  Reply # 2110989 19-Oct-2018 14:19
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Andrew Little was one of the least preferred options, but he had been leader at the time and Winston had gone with Labour, he would be our PM.

 

 

 

 

That is a false argument. If Little had remained as leader, the Labour vote would have been much less and he could not have got over the threshold with Winston.

 

 





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  Reply # 2110991 19-Oct-2018 14:22
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Rikkitic:

 

networkn:

 

Andrew Little was one of the least preferred options, but he had been leader at the time and Winston had gone with Labour, he would be our PM.

 

 

 

 

That is a false argument. If Little had remained as leader, the Labour vote would have been much less and he could not have got over the threshold with Winston.

 

 

 

 

I was saying that just because someone isn't the preferred PM, doesn't mean they won't end up being the PM. We don't vote for PM in this country.

 

 


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  Reply # 2111082 19-Oct-2018 16:29
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networkn:

 

Andrew Little was one of the least preferred options, but he had been leader at the time and Winston had gone with Labour, he would be our PM.

 

I am not even sure AL would have voted for AL last election :)

 

 

I don't think so somehow.  I know we don't elect a PM directly, but it's surely on most people's minds when they place their party vote.

 

Little falls into the category of potential PM's who lost elections because they didn't have the "common touch" or general appeal - not because they lacked ability or experience.  There's a long list of them - from both sides, going back decades. As trite and silly as it may be, the more you can't imagine them looking confident and comfortable wearing a hawaiian shirt, the less chance they've got of being elected PM.


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  Reply # 2111095 19-Oct-2018 17:25
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  Reply # 2111096 19-Oct-2018 17:26
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MikeAqua:

 

Politics is all about money.  No money no campaign.  No campaign, no votes.

 

Do donors have to be on the electoral role?  Are the requirements to be on the electoral role the same as the requirements to reside in NZ?

 

The labour party sells list places to the unions every single election.  Between elections the unions effectively get to choose labour's leader.  They do so using money collected from their membership.

 

 

Equating labour's union support with national's phantom donors is a very weak argument. 

 

Everybody knows labour has union support - just like everybody knew gareth morgan was supporting top party.

 

It's the fact national has a candidate for cash program that is a blow to democracy in this country.

 

I suggest we save national and others future headaches by removing any option to have anonymous donations - including nothing through an unamed source such as trusts etc.

 

 

 

It's the money that funds the ads and the consultants. We need to ensure we know who is propping up the parties. And who is likely to be buying candidacies.


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  Reply # 2111122 19-Oct-2018 17:48
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gulfa:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12145518

 

The latest developments

 

 

There is a word for someone like this, but it is censored by Geekzone. Ross has lost all credibility and surprise, surprise, he has decided he doesn't need to step down as MP after all. I had a modicum of respect for him on the basis of that decision, which I thought demonstrated some integrity and courage, and which made me believe there might be something to his accusations. Now it is all looking like hot air. No wonder Dotcom wants in.

 

I think Bridges has had some very bad luck, which he didn't deserve, but I also think he is not above reproach and when the time is right, should step down as party leader. Even if he did nothing technically wrong, he lacks the moral authority to be PM. New Zealand can do better.

 

  





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  Reply # 2111145 19-Oct-2018 18:12
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There is no doubt that Lee-Ross is a narcissist and an adulterer. In parliament or general life he's hardly alone in that respect. I find it really unfortunate that his personal life has been dragged into this.

 

This is one of the slippery slopes that NZ political life has largely been able to avoid and I think it's been better that way. Attacks on personal lives has been a part of US politics for a long time and it's not been a good thing.


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