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  Reply # 2103710 9-Oct-2018 09:47
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I already went to the trouble so here it is. These are some relevant excerpts from the French Penal Code, which defines these things:

 

Code Pénal Article 227-15

 

In France the Age of Consent to sexual intercourse is 15 years and sexual assault on a minor person illegal and punishable.

 

Legislation on Age of Consent to sexual intercourse

 

Article 227-25 of the French Penal Code: The commission, without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual assault on a minor person under 15 years of age is punishable by five years’ imprisonment and a 75,000 Euro fine.
See also Article 388 of the French Civil Code: A minor is an individual of either sex who has not yet reached the full age of 18 years.

 

Definition of statutory rape

 

France does have a definition for statutory rape and the penal code has provision for both a prison term as well as a fine.

 

Legislation and policy framework on statutory rape

 

Article 227-25 of the Penal Code: The fact, for an adult, to exercise without violence, coercion, threat or surprise a sexual assault on the person of a minor under 15 years of age is punishable by five years imprisonment and a 75,000 Euro fine.
See also Article 388 of the French Civil Code: A minor is an individual of either sex who has not yet reached the full age of 18 years.

 

In France, Article 227-25 of the Penal Code [1] establishes the sexual majority (age from which a minor can maintain a sexual relationship with an adult, without this adult committing a criminal offense) in principle to 15 years for heterosexual and homosexual relationships.

 

"The fact, by a major, to exercise without violence, coercion, threat or surprise sexual assault on the person of a minor of fifteen years" (in law, "minor of fifteen years" means "individual under fifteen years ") constitutes an offense, while any sexual offense, regardless of the age of the victim, committed with violence, coercion or surprise constitutes a" sexual assault ". The age limit is raised from 15 to 18 years in the case of relations between a minor and an ascendant or any person having authority by nature or by his function.
The French case law seldom holds the qualification of surprise, by motivating on the vague term of surprise to make the point that a child not knowing adult sexuality can not consent to the relation, and is thus necessarily "surprised" within the meaning of the text, even when appearances suggest the opposite. However, it may be used for teenage victims over 12 or 13 years of age. In France, Article 227-25 of the Penal Code [1] sets the age of sexual consent in principle at 15 years for heterosexual and homosexual relations. "The fact, by a major, to exercise without violence, coercion, threat or surprise sexual assault on the person of a minor of fifteen" constitutes an offense (in law, "minor of fifteen years" means "individual of less than fifteen years old "). He is "punished by five (5) years imprisonment and a 75,000 euro fine," while any sexual assault, regardless of the age of the victim, committed with violence, coercion or surprise constitutes an "assault sexual abuse "). The age limit of consent is raised from 15 to 18 years in the case of relations between a minor and an ascendant or any person having authority by nature or by his function. This is an aggravating circumstance. The prison sentence was raised from two to five years in the latter case (parliamentary session of April 27, 2009). Unlawful sexual intercourse is called sexual assault and rape when penetration occurs. It is more severely punished when it is performed on a sexually minor person.

 

Sexual consent is therefore deemed valid at age 15 (for a relationship with an adult of any age), although the recent recast of the Penal Code no longer asserts the general right to sexuality from the age of 15 as a positive right .
There is no prohibition on sexual intercourse between individuals under the age of 18, whether one is under 15 or not, provided that there is mutual consent [2]. However, parental authority exercising, parents can control the sexual relations of their child or prohibit them, prohibiting him to reside outside the family home [ref. necessary], to take educational measures which they consider necessary, according to what they consider appropriate for the education and the development of their child. Moreover for a child too young, it is difficult to ensure consent. If one of the two minors is significantly older than the other, the fact will be judged as sexual abuse of minor, or even sexual assault on a minor, the non-consent being motivated by the "surprise"

 

Except in the case of rape or any other sexual assault, the fact, by a major, of exerting a sexual assault on a minor of fifteen years is punished of seven years of imprisonment and 100 000 € of fine.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2103767 9-Oct-2018 10:30
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Can we uhhh...talk about something that isn't the age of consent in France? 


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  Reply # 2103813 9-Oct-2018 10:56
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GV27:

 

Can we uhhh...talk about something that isn't the age of consent in France? 

 

 

I brought it up as one of three.  It got jumped on - this was ignored:

 

Bridges tweets / comments condemning tenants of properties who'd been offered compensation for being unfairly turfed out of their homes due to flawed policies for "meth testing" in place during the last National government.  Yes - in some cases some of the tenants may have been illicit drug users, in some cases they wouldn't have been.  Bridges' position was pushing "guilty until proven innocent".  

 

What's up with that - and why did he double-down?
Is he an aspiring Duterte?   

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2103816 9-Oct-2018 10:59
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Rikkitic:
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Now that you’re fully across the French Legislation, perhaps you could make a submission to snopes.com and recommend a correction.

And while you’re all boned up on the matter, what is the French punishment for 4x sexual assaults of 16yo minors? Perhaps the alleged offender at Labour’s Youth camp might be interested.

I still don’t see how that’s “at least as bad” as sending a poorly researched tweet.

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  Reply # 2103819 9-Oct-2018 11:02
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I am done with this subject. Go beat another dead horse.

 

 





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  Reply # 2104142 9-Oct-2018 21:23
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Its still 2 years out from the next election, nothing that National or Simon Bridges does right now really matters. Look what happened at the last election - everything changed in 6 weeks. 


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  Reply # 2104152 9-Oct-2018 21:56
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I saw someone say that Judith Collins could be a good contender to replace Bridges. I suspect she would be in the same boat as someone like Paula Bennett - too polarising and I suspect would scare some National voters away.




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  Reply # 2108186 15-Oct-2018 13:47
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Jamie Lee Ross named as expenses leaker 

 

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107848792/national-party-leader-simon-bridges-set-to-announce-outcome-into-expenses-leak-inquiry





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  Reply # 2108213 15-Oct-2018 14:31
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The Tweets being quoted by NZ Herald show that this sage is going to get very messy and damaging to the National Party.

 

 

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12142614





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  Reply # 2108216 15-Oct-2018 14:34
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This after Bridges said just a few days ago that he accepted Ross's word that he wasn't. Also after Bridges had to revise his electoral donation return, with Ross now tweeting that Bridges made him break the law in regard to election donations.

 

We have to tread carefully here if mental health issues really are involved, but after the persistent and continuous and unnecessary ongoing carping about the government and its stuff-ups from the right-wingers on these threads, the question has to be asked if the 'train wreck' (as it has been described) lies with the government or the opposition. All I can say is I'm more grateful than ever that National and especially, Simon Bridges, are not running the country!

 

 





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  Reply # 2108219 15-Oct-2018 14:37
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Rikkitic:

 

This after Bridges said just a few days ago that he accepted Ross's word that he wasn't. Also after Bridges had to revise his electoral donation return, with Ross now tweeting that Bridges made him break the law in regard to election donations.

 

We have to tread carefully here if mental health issues really are involved, but after the persistent and continuous and unnecessary ongoing carping about the government and its stuff-ups from the right-wingers on these threads, the question has to be asked if the 'train wreck' (as it has been described) lies with the government or the opposition. All I can say is I'm more grateful than ever that National and especially, Simon Bridges, are not running the country!

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest I really don't know anymore. 





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  Reply # 2108220 15-Oct-2018 14:38
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That's been a woefully handled matter from the get-go.

 

Though for clarity, although the report named JLR as the leaker, it's important to note that it wasn't conclusive.

 

NZHerald:

 

"With one exception, our examination did not identify any evidence to suggest that any National Party MP is the text message sender.

 

"The exception is Mr Ross...".

 

But the PwC report added: "The evidence is not conclusive."

 

 

Regardless, it's only going to go from bad to worse now for Bridges.  Which is unfortunate for the opposition, because they are missing big opportunities to gain traction against some terrible performances by Govt. ministers over the past couple of weeks. (Eg. Davidson, Woods, and the PM)


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  Reply # 2108221 15-Oct-2018 14:38
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Maybe the two trains ran into each other.

 

 





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  Reply # 2108228 15-Oct-2018 14:41
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At a time when the World is going down the gurgler we need in the Beehive folks who do the job and not play soap operas. I don't think we have the talent in either side of the house to steer the ship home. 





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  Reply # 2108231 15-Oct-2018 14:45
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of course, not knowing the costs of your proposed welfare changes, not providing a shred of evidence to back your assertions, and neglecting to account for your 15c fuel tax increases will just be perceived by some as "persistent and continuous and unnecessary ongoing carping about the government and its stuff-ups"

 

;-)

 

But anyways - back to Bridges and what a hash he's made out of this.


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