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  # 2171021 31-Jan-2019 20:56
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Rikkitic:

 

I wanted to give the government the benefit of the doubt, and I had hopes that they might at least make a decent dent in the problem, but it does seem to have been pretty much all hot air and spin. What a pity for those hoping to buy their first homes.

 

 

As a FHB, I wanted them to succeed. Yet unfortunately it looks like the actual issues and impacts this is happening on our generation is nothing than a headline grabber that's been used to turn an election. 

 

It's your classic "we totally care about young people" <continues to screw over young people> politician move; so much for generational change, eh.

 

 

Quite possibly. I would feel that while it was an election vote call, there is more interest in NZ';s future than the past lawmakers. Good ideas, desire, but lacked knowledge? Likely. But in todays volatile climate I'd prefer action man than sit on thumbs man. Its a tough world out there it wont get easier. Remember, the Govt is a non profit organisation. Bottom line is secondary to the populous. 


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Now that Labour has officially abandoned their Kiwibuild housing targets, honesty compels me to acknowledge that @Networkn was 101% spot-on with his observations of a year ago when the government took office, and they should have listened to him. As I recall it, everything he said and predicted on this subject is pretty much exactly what Labour has now conceded. Maybe they should hire him as a consultant.

 

So @Networkn, feel free to take a victory lap at my expense if you wish. I wanted to give the government the benefit of the doubt, and I had hopes that they might at least make a decent dent in the problem, but it does seem to have been pretty much all hot air and spin. What a pity for those hoping to buy their first homes.

 

I am disappointed, but I’m afraid this does not mean I am about to become a National supporter. Every time I see the face of Simon Bridges or Paula Bennet or any of the other turkeys on that roost, I feel my fists clench. I can only hope something better will come along, or the government will learn from experience and actually do a good job of governing, or people of good will make a decision to work together for the benefit of us all. And until then, I will probably just hold my nose and vote Greens as a fall-back.

 

 

 

 

It's big of you to admit it. It gives me minimal pleasure in being right, and more because I think it was a stupid policy in the first place. It's kind of mind-blowing (in the worst possible way) they still think there is 100K of houses ever to be built inside of 10 years, they really have their heads in the.... clouds. It's concerning to me that more Labour voters aren't more concerned at the lack of critical judgement by their elected officials.

 

If they had of hired me as a consultant I would have killed the project dead, it's a stupid idea, stupidly implemented and will cost magnitudes more than they say it will. They will fiddle the numbers and they will make excuses, but the chances of keeping this inside of budget are nil in my opinion. They would have been much better to have thrown efforts behind streamlining the building processes, planning and infrastracture to support a greater population. Tax Breaks or other incentives for private developers who built houses to an agreed spec, even considered investment loans. Problem is, anything like this is complex and fraught with difficulty and involves people who are fallible and inherently unreliable. In my view greater number of houses built with the support of the Government rather than BY the Government would have helped the market price drop.

 

One of the major issues with projects like Kiwibuild is that people who can't afford to buy a house, are rarely going to be able to afford to maintain it. My wife and I have decent incomes and house maintenance I estimate costs us $15-20K a year. We have to find 14K to paint the top half of the exterior of our homes. That hasn't been easy to digest and postponed other more enjoyable ways to spend that money. I can't imagine how people earning even moderately less would do it, and likely I believe they wouldn't. On top of this it's reasonably likely that there will be pretty decent capital gains, which the new buyers will likely benefit significantly from. The Government will get some of that back, but it's pretty much gifting people who buy KB homes a couple hundred grand in cash. That doesn't seem right to me. 

 

I'm very keen to see a Teal party formed. Greens are too stubborn/shortsighted to try and work with National (at least a reasonable part of the reason being that their leader lacks the skills to , but I think there is plenty for both parties to benefit from in that arrangement.


 
 
 
 


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Its actually a good policy but its too late, as affordable houses are now too expensive for the buyers to buy, so there are few buyers as is seen by the lack of demand. That is due to the recent housing boom, whicb is quite obvious

 

You criticise that the Govt will gift them 200k, yet you suggest subsidising developers with tax breaks and other financial support. Note that Kiwibuild is set a budget and it builds or is involved with developer builds and it rolls the budget over . The capital gains of any KB buyer are not a gift. They are capital gains that any buyer, no matter how they bought can recieve. It actually is a gift to the Govt to get some of this back, so you are incorrect, in reverse

 

RMA is under consideration, it is also under consideration by National and has been for quite some time, but nothing happened. I believe, and I may be incorrect, but I think land acquisition by the Govt is bypassing an amount of red tape for KB

 

Given that these homes are new, I dont see an issue with maintenance, if that was the case, then no affordable home buyers now and in the distant past could possibly build a house, let alone buy a pre owned home. I dont see your $400 per week, every week, for the life of the home as valid 

 

Bottom line is that its a Labour policy so it sux

 

IMO, regardless of whose policy it is, it was a good idea, timing was wrong as the boom killed affordability. It will still work for some, so thats something, it should involve itself in reno's and also rentals, the latter are becoming unaffordable due to extra landlord costs, and extra demand as this country slowly divests itself of home ownership, again, for obvious reasons




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Given that these homes are new, I dont see an issue with maintenance, if that was the case, then no affordable home buyers now and in the distant past could possibly build a house, let alone buy a pre owned home. I dont see your $400 per week, every week, for the life of the home as valid 

 

Bottom line is that its a Labour policy so it sux

 

IMO, regardless of whose policy it is, it was a good idea, timing was wrong as the boom killed affordability. It will still work for some, so thats something, it should involve itself in reno's and also rentals, the latter are becoming unaffordable due to extra landlord costs, and extra demand as this country slowly divests itself of home ownership, again, for obvious reasons

 

 

The maintenance thing is a bit of dead heron. The trade off with the Hobsonville Pt 3 bedder (140sqms) was that there was a small patio area outside with no grass; so virtually maintenance-free apart weeding and watering a small garden out front. IMO that's what the Govt should have looked to pre-fab en masse and deliver all over Auckland; decent density without reverting to 50sqm shoeboxes that banks won't lend on. One spec, three levels with some bigger knocked through five bedroom options for social housing (because realistically we need them). Warm, dry, six at a time in a terrace block. Six month lead time; but could come down with pre-fabrication. 

 

To be honest, I think this is likely what we'll get out of Kiwibuild; there are some developments out in the West Auckland area and a future urban zone they could forcibly acquire and extend that Hobsonville Pt model. The real issue they need to solve is the land supply and inner-city NIMBYism in areas like Ponsonby/Grey Lynn/Mt Albert. Until then they're just going to be building on the fringes and selling people homes that come with an hour each way commute as part of the price. I'd like to see this addressed as part of Kiwibuild 2 as well. 


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Given that these homes are new, I dont see an issue with maintenance, if that was the case, then no affordable home buyers now and in the distant past could possibly build a house, let alone buy a pre owned home. I dont see your $400 per week, every week, for the life of the home as valid 

 

Bottom line is that its a Labour policy so it sux

 

IMO, regardless of whose policy it is, it was a good idea, timing was wrong as the boom killed affordability. It will still work for some, so thats something, it should involve itself in reno's and also rentals, the latter are becoming unaffordable due to extra landlord costs, and extra demand as this country slowly divests itself of home ownership, again, for obvious reasons

 

 

The maintenance thing is a bit of dead heron. The trade off with the Hobsonville Pt 3 bedder (140sqms) was that there was a small patio area outside with no grass; so virtually maintenance-free apart weeding and watering a small garden out front. IMO that's what the Govt should have looked to pre-fab en masse and deliver all over Auckland; decent density without reverting to 50sqm shoeboxes that banks won't lend on. One spec, three levels with some bigger knocked through five bedroom options for social housing (because realistically we need them). Warm, dry, six at a time in a terrace block. Six month lead time; but could come down with pre-fabrication. 

 

To be honest, I think this is likely what we'll get out of Kiwibuild; there are some developments out in the West Auckland area and a future urban zone they could forcibly acquire and extend that Hobsonville Pt model. The real issue they need to solve is the land supply and inner-city NIMBYism in areas like Ponsonby/Grey Lynn/Mt Albert. Until then they're just going to be building on the fringes and selling people homes that come with an hour each way commute as part of the price. I'd like to see this addressed as part of Kiwibuild 2 as well. 

 

 

Yes, its a hard one. No one wants UK type apartments that end up slums. Or rows of "that must be the poor area" houses. But we do need that type but where the designs can vary somewhat and the layout is a suburb instead of a row of cells. Certainly prefab has to be the way to go as that brings down costs, and costs are the problem. The best ideas in the world wont help when few can afford a basic home.

 

Id like to know what the demand for basic homes is right now. It seems to be very low. Prefab and RMA are the only things I can think of that will help that, as the desire to own is probably very high but the ability now to, is probably very low. Inflation being low, a low wage economy, these factors wont bring people back into play in a hurry.


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The promises were made hundreds of times. They were told hundreds of times it wouldnt be possible, yet they kept on promising. Surely someone must be sacked?

 

 

Give them a chance. They have only been in government for just over a year + Jacinda has been juggling motherhood/pregnancy at the same time. Do you have any idea how difficult and stressful that must be? Look what has already been achieved in such a little bit of time. Good things come to those that wait.


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Bluntj:

 

The promises were made hundreds of times. They were told hundreds of times it wouldnt be possible, yet they kept on promising. Surely someone must be sacked?

 

 

Give them a chance. They have only been in government for just over a year + Jacinda has been juggling motherhood/pregnancy at the same time. Do you have any idea how difficult and stressful that must be? Look what has already been achieved in such a little bit of time. Good things come to those that wait.

 

 

You are kidding?

 

As to the first post, it was a too lofty a target, everyone feels that, everyone. However, first deadline will achieve only 30%, thats a fail, but 30% is 30%. That will improve as they have been grabbing land areas. So it will add value to the housing stocks over time. Its better having a policy that falls well short than not having a policy at all

 

As to pregnancy and motherhood that's her problem. She needs to run the country, and juggle her family as the second role.


 
 
 
 


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Darude34:

 

Bluntj:

 

The promises were made hundreds of times. They were told hundreds of times it wouldnt be possible, yet they kept on promising. Surely someone must be sacked?

 

 

Give them a chance. They have only been in government for just over a year + Jacinda has been juggling motherhood/pregnancy at the same time. Do you have any idea how difficult and stressful that must be? Look what has already been achieved in such a little bit of time. Good things come to those that wait.

 

 

You are kidding?

 

As to the first post, it was a too lofty a target, everyone feels that, everyone. However, first deadline will achieve only 30%, thats a fail, but 30% is 30%. That will improve as they have been grabbing land areas. So it will add value to the housing stocks over time. Its better having a policy that falls well short than not having a policy at all

 

As to pregnancy and motherhood that's her problem. She needs to run the country, and juggle her family as the second role.

 

 

So you implying being a mother should be second priority????? Right............. They should be equal, there is no reason she cannot be a excellent PM, and a good mother. She is an excellent PM, as for being a mother I cannot really comment on that. So far she has done nothing but put ex PM John Key to shame, and thats with running a family at the same time. Could not say the same about Key.

 

 


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So you implying being a mother should be second priority????? Right............. They should be equal, there is no reason she cannot be a excellent PM, and a good mother. She is an excellent PM, as for being a mother I cannot really comment on that. So far she has done nothing but put ex PM John Key to shame, and thats with running a family at the same time. Could not say the same about Key.

 

 

 

 

Yes I am. Running a country of 5 million people occurred first. She can do both but NZ comes first. This is why she has help. Or could she stay home more and get help from her party to run the country, so she can run it part time? Maybe tell the UN to postpone a conference of international leaders if her child is teething?

 

No reason she cannot be a good mother and a PM at the same time, but PM comes first, she can seek help to cover that, which she does.


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Darude34:

 

 

 

So you implying being a mother should be second priority????? Right............. They should be equal, there is no reason she cannot be a excellent PM, and a good mother. She is an excellent PM, as for being a mother I cannot really comment on that. So far she has done nothing but put ex PM John Key to shame, and thats with running a family at the same time. Could not say the same about Key.

 

 

 

 

Yes I am. Running a country of 5 million people occurred first. She can do both but NZ comes first. This is why she has help. Or could she stay home more and get help from her party to run the country, so she can run it part time? Maybe tell the UN to postpone a conference of international leaders if her child is teething?

 

No reason she cannot be a good mother and a PM at the same time, but PM comes first, she can seek help to cover that, which she does.

 

 

No it does not. I dont believe there is any job that should come first. Being PM is afterall just a job. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with employment rights laws of NZ, read the section "For working parents". Its no different just because she is PM. Or are you implying that because she is PM she should not benefit from those laws:

 

https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/work-in-nz/employment-rights

 

Parental Leave:

 

https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/parental-leave/

 

Infant Feeding

 

https://www.employment.govt.nz/hours-and-wages/breaks/breastfeeding-at-work/

 

Interested to hear your view on how she seeks help with the breastfeeding bit.

 

 


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tdgeek:

 

Darude34:

 

 

 

So you implying being a mother should be second priority????? Right............. They should be equal, there is no reason she cannot be a excellent PM, and a good mother. She is an excellent PM, as for being a mother I cannot really comment on that. So far she has done nothing but put ex PM John Key to shame, and thats with running a family at the same time. Could not say the same about Key.

 

 

 

 

Yes I am. Running a country of 5 million people occurred first. She can do both but NZ comes first. This is why she has help. Or could she stay home more and get help from her party to run the country, so she can run it part time? Maybe tell the UN to postpone a conference of international leaders if her child is teething?

 

No reason she cannot be a good mother and a PM at the same time, but PM comes first, she can seek help to cover that, which she does.

 

 

No it does not. I dont believe there is any job that should come first. Being PM is afterall just a job. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with employment rights laws of NZ, read the section "For working parents". Its no different just because she is PM. Or are you implying that because she is PM she should not benefit from those laws:

 

https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/work-in-nz/employment-rights

 

Parental Leave:

 

https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/parental-leave/

 

Infant Feeding

 

https://www.employment.govt.nz/hours-and-wages/breaks/breastfeeding-at-work/

 

 

 

 

 

 

What has these laws got to do with this? Like any other mother she has full access for these laws and uses them, and has. So what? First you say they are equal, now you say PM doesn't come first, which means you now say being a mother comes first. In which case she will be missing a huge number of important events and meetings????  But she wont be as she will prioritise these ahead of her family. As she has done on a few occasions already, taking her family with her. Placing PM first, family second


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What has these laws got to do with this? Like any other mother she has full access for these laws and uses them, and has. So what? First you say they are equal, now you say PM doesn't come first, which means you now say being a mother comes first. In which case she will be missing a huge number of important events and meetings????  But she wont be as she will prioritise these ahead of her family. As she has done on a few occasions already, taking her family with her. Placing PM first, family second

 

 

Interested to hear your view on how she seeks help with the breastfeeding bit. Thats why I pasted that link.

 

She should be treated equal like every other NZ employee. I think you missed that bit. Judging from your posts you are implying that being PM comes first. People who moan and complain about this government have no idea what they talking about. Give her a chance. Thats what I was trying to say. 

 

 

 

 


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What has these laws got to do with this? Like any other mother she has full access for these laws and uses them, and has. So what? First you say they are equal, now you say PM doesn't come first, which means you now say being a mother comes first. In which case she will be missing a huge number of important events and meetings????  But she wont be as she will prioritise these ahead of her family. As she has done on a few occasions already, taking her family with her. Placing PM first, family second

 

 

Interested to hear your view on how she seeks help with the breastfeeding bit. Thats why I pasted that link.

 

She should be treated equal like every other NZ employee. I think you missed that bit. Judging from your posts you are implying that being PM comes first. People who moan and complain about this government have no idea what they talking about. Give her a chance. Thats what I was trying to say. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

?? You are interested in my position on her breastfeeding?

 

I didnt miss any bit

 

"Judging from your posts you are implying that being PM comes first" Judging by my posts?? You dont need to judge my posts, I stated that in clear black and white

 

I don't recall moaning and groaning about this Govt

 

 


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?? You are interested in my position on her breastfeeding?

 

Yes, Because if you had a child of your own you would understand what comes first. But you implying that she has the means for others to "help out". If the child is sick for instance and needs to stay at home, so does mom. So those important meetings etc well they have to wait. And she is in her right to let them wait. Some things are more equal than others.

 

tdgeek:Yes I am. Running a country of 5 million people occurred first. She can do both but NZ comes first. This is why she has help.


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Just the same as if John Key was sick, or his wife had an accident and he had to take her to A+E instead of attending a meeting. These are normal occurances for all of us. PM or not, mother or not. While being a mother has obvious importance, you will find that being PM is prioritised as has happened a few times already


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