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#2204320 24-Mar-2019 15:29

Perhaps he can be sentenced to a life time of solitary confinement if he is deported to Australia if they have a different law to us after the trial ??

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#2204347 24-Mar-2019 16:49

Rikkitic:

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It's our largest shooting and we need to set the standard now.

These are all good points and I can't really say I disagree with them. I suppose an irony is that you have to read the damned thing to really know if any these arguments apply. Maybe it is just as well that the censor has done that for us. I don't know. I have a deep dislike and distrust of censorship but of course this is a special circumstance.

Censors have to tread a delicate line between freedom of speech and what's injurious to the public good. In this case they've decided on the latter.

I'm not going to encourage you or anyone else to go seek it out. That's up to you. I read about half of it before it was classified, the guy is very disturbed to say the least.

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#2204356 24-Mar-2019 17:16

I have no interest in seeking it out. I had none before it was classified. As one gets older, one gets jealous of one's time. I refuse to waste what I have left on extremist rubbish. They are all morons and they all scream the same thing. Death to everyone who doesn't dress/pray/think/look/act/talk/etc. the way they approve of. I don't need to read their BS to know that. I hope they all get overwhelmed and turned around by the power of our love, which scares the hell out of them.

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#2204395 24-Mar-2019 19:51

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#2204494 24-Mar-2019 21:48

National Remembrance Service following Christchurch terrorist attack

A National Remembrance Service for the victims of the Christchurch mosques terrorist attack, and all those affected by it, will be held at 10am on Friday 29 March, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today.

The service will be held in Christchurch in Hagley Park and will be jointly led by the Government of New Zealand, the city of Christchurch, Ngāi Tahu and the Muslim community.

Considerations are being given to simultaneously broadcasting the service to events in Auckland, Wellington and Dunedin and providing links for events in other towns and cities.

“The National Remembrance Service provides an opportunity for Cantabrians, New Zealanders and people all around the world to come together as one to honour the victims of the terrorist attack,” Jacinda Ardern said.

“In the week since the unprecedented terror attack there has been an outpouring of grief and love in our country. The service will be a chance to once again show that New Zealanders are compassionate, inclusive and diverse, and that we will protect those values.

“The terrorist attack has been significant for many countries. We anticipate international guests and visitors will want to attend and to join us in our sorrow and support for the victims and their families,” Jacinda Ardern said.

Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel says this will be a time for everyone, locally, nationally and internationally, to come together in unity.

“I am very proud of the way our city and nation have responded to this terrorist attack. What happened on Friday, March 15, 2019 will never define us. It is what has happened since, the love and compassion, that’s what defines us. Coming together on Friday will demonstrate support for all our communities, no matter where we were born, no matter where and how we choose to express our faith. We do not stand alone, we stand together.

“We will not be divided by hatred, we will be united by love,” says Mayor Dalziel.

The details of the service, including exact location, broadcast arrangements and order of service will be announced later in the week.

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#2204495 24-Mar-2019 21:49

I wrote this on a Facebook post where quite a few people were posting their opinions against last Friday's call to prayer being broadcast. I think I should copy it here:

If people have the option to choose kindness, be silent for a couple of minutes and help other human beings on their darkest hour but instead decide to side with hate, support Tamaki's words and berate people then we know who deserves to be in limbo - and is always the second group.

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#2204499 24-Mar-2019 22:04

I went on Friday along with some colleagues. And approx 15,000 others during a workday. Which is a great feat on it's own and shows the true support that was shown but not only individuals but businesses.

We may not have understood some of what was going on. Or have our own beliefs or reasons to be there. But we still stood, or rather sat with them all the same. The silence was deafening. The speech moving.

Everyone puts up with family members and friends they may not see eye to eye with or get along with at family funerals, as it's something that brings you together and differences are put aside. I saw this no different. And such a shame others can't see it similarly. (perhaps too much media saturation also?)

Just a shame with 2 big community events this weekend that the Official one is being held separately during a week day. Although tonights was a reasonable turnout, it was by no means a polished affair. So I'm unsure of it's expected impact now.

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#2204533 25-Mar-2019 07:57

freitasm:

I wrote this on a Facebook post where quite a few people were posting their opinions against last Friday's call to prayer being broadcast. I think I should copy it here:

If people have the option to choose kindness, be silent for a couple of minutes and help other human beings on their darkest hour but instead decide to side with hate, support Tamaki's words and berate people then we know who deserves to be in limbo - and is always the second group.

Here in Hastings, before the shootings, there was a public meeting in regard to water issues, I think. Someone got up to speak and prefaced his comments with a statement in Te Reo. Immediately people in the audience started shouting 'speak English!'

I find the overwhelming support for our Muslim neighbours heartwarming, but some people in this country still have a way to go when it comes to tolerance and simple respect.

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#2204547 25-Mar-2019 08:57

One thing I think everyone should listen to this interview with Kathryn Ryan of Anjum Rahman on National Radio.

To me one of the most interesting parts of the interview at 4:40 when she was speaking with the SIS/GCSB about two threats. Primarily they were worried about people within their own community committing an attack, and secondly an attack on their community.

It provides an insight into the community well aware of their own problems and what they can do to tackle them while also being very aware of external threats.

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#2204550 25-Mar-2019 09:05

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Ge0rge: Interesting - didn't the deputy PM state that was what was going to happen - solitary for life?

Yes, I can confirm I saw video of him saying that while overseas somewhere. I forget where.

Kelvin Davis is also Corrections Minister, so he'd no doubt have been quoted in this capacity. But I've become very wary of anything he says, given his history - ie, I'd not be relying on his comment being accurate.

I've just done a check and if Davis indeed did say that it does seem he's talked off-the-cuff without knowing the law: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/137.0/DLM328066.html confirms "no sentence of solitary confinement (is) to be passed".

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#2204587 25-Mar-2019 10:50

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Looking back today, I still have a sick feeling thinking about what occurred last week.

To make matters worse I saw a video of Jim Jefferies (another Australian) drawing a picture of the prophet and making fun of Islam which left me fuming. How on earth does a person like this have a platform on TV?

All religions are the subject of satire, what gives Islam a special exclusion?

I don't think that was the point of the video posted by the Jewish bloke.
Rather, in his own video put out a day or so after the attack, containing excerpts from this interview, Jim Jeffries was coming across as all "even if you don't agree with a religion, we should be tolerant and all get along together."
Only to be revealed that in the uncut original interview, he was making jokes about vomiting Muslim babies, drawing a picture of the prophet, etc., knowing that he would edit out the less palatable content out later for broadcast.

His hypocrisy is what is at issue here, I think.

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#2204632 25-Mar-2019 11:53

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mm1352000:

Ge0rge: Interesting - didn't the deputy PM state that was what was going to happen - solitary for life?

Yes, I can confirm I saw video of him saying that while overseas somewhere. I forget where.

Kelvin Davis is also Corrections Minister, so he'd no doubt have been quoted in this capacity. But I've become very wary of anything he says, given his history - ie, I'd not be relying on his comment being accurate.

I've just done a check and if Davis indeed did say that it does seem he's talked off-the-cuff without knowing the law: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/137.0/DLM328066.html confirms "no sentence of solitary confinement (is) to be passed".

Deputy PM is Winston Peters.

Kelvin Davis is deputy leader of the Labour party.

Peters made the statement I saw. The only thing I've seen/heard about Davis recently is that he owned and will (or has) handed back a semi-automatic.

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#2204760 25-Mar-2019 15:56

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#2204762 25-Mar-2019 15:59

We don't have a sentence of solitary confinement but some prisoners are segregated for their own safety (eg paedophiles).

I definitely think the shooter falls into this category.

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#2204799 25-Mar-2019 16:14

As I understand it, kiddy fiddlers and kiddy killers are held in about the same level of contempt inside.

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