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  # 2311590 6-Sep-2019 08:55
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The Washington Post - Trump might like Brexit less when he sees what it does to the economy

 

September 5 at 5:00 AM

 


President Trump’s support for Britain’s exit from the European Union may be about to collide with his election-year hopes of presiding over a strong economy.

 

The president has long seen “Brexit” as reflecting the same sort of nationalist impulse that drove his White House upset in 2016. 

 

He has hailed British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who vows to sever ties with Europe on Oct. 31 no matter what, as a kindred populist spirit.

 

But as British Parliament this week dealt Johnson a stunning four consecutive defeats, the prospect of further delay in leaving the E.U. or a chaotic no-deal divorce spiked.

 

Continuing instability [in the UK economy] threatens to become a drag on an already troubled global economy. ...

 

Despite the economic danger, the Trump administration continues to cheer on the long-running Brexit drama. 

 

At the White House on Wednesday, the president praised the embattled British prime minister shortly before his fourth parliamentary humiliation in little more than 24 hours.

 

He’s a friend of mine, and he’s going at it; there’s no question about it,” Trump told reporters. 

 

Boris knows how to win. Don’t worry about him.” ...

 

 

 

 

 

Of course the US thinks Brexit is a good thing. The US prefers smaller economies, ones they can bully and get their own way with, last thing the US wanted was for the EU to become a bigger economy than the US.


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  # 2311610 6-Sep-2019 09:37
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BBC News - PM: I'd rather be dead in ditch than delay Brexit

 


Boris Johnson has said he would "rather be dead in a ditch" than ask the EU to delay Brexit beyond 31 October.

 

But the PM declined to say if he would resign if a postponement - which he has repeatedly ruled out - had to happen.

 

Mr Johnson has said he would be prepared to leave the EU without a deal, but Labour says stopping a no-deal Brexit is its priority. ...

 

The House of Commons rejected Mr Johnson's plan for a snap election in a vote on Wednesday.

 

But the government has announced that MPs will get another chance to back this plan next Monday.

 

The fresh vote on an early election is scheduled just before Parliament is due to be prorogued - or suspended - from next week until 14 October. ...

 

 





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  # 2311611 6-Sep-2019 09:38
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Honestly, I've tried not to think much about Brexit.

Even the experts, from UK citizens to the media, seem clueless as to make sense of the past and present chaos, much less reasonably predict what will happen next week.

I am getting annoyed at pro-Brexit supporters however.

Most seem quick to say they are pro-democracy, and support rule of law. Trying to stop the referendum means you're anti-democratic.

Yet the same people seem OK with Boris trying every dirty trick to stop democratic processes.

Seems very selective, perhaps hypocritical.

If I might go further, pro-Brexit supporters seem to wax nostalgic on the days when the sun never set on the British Empire.

The reality is England is the US's bitch. The British Empire is never going to return, and the royals are now just a pale shadow of the Kardashians.

All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put the British empire together again.


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  # 2311691 6-Sep-2019 11:52
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Cmon Boris, since there's not going to be a no-deal brexit, just do a deal.

 

How hard can it be?


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  # 2311692 6-Sep-2019 11:55
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It has been reported that Boris was born with a life-long ambition to be PM. This seems like an excellent illustration of being careful what you wish for.

 

 





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  # 2311708 6-Sep-2019 12:19
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elpenguino:

 

Cmon Boris, since there's not going to be a no-deal brexit, just do a deal.

 

How hard can it be?

 

 

VERY hard.

 

The EU wants to seen as punishing the UK for leaving

 

The UK seems to think they should get what ever they want.... rule Britannia and all that

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2311752 6-Sep-2019 13:57
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Cmon Boris, since there's not going to be a no-deal brexit, just do a deal.

 

How hard can it be?

 

 

Can't be that hard.  May managed to negotiate a deal - problem was too few MPs liked it because it was either too good or too bad - which seems to mainly depend on which of the UK's horrifically partisan newspapers show up as headlines that you read over your kippers and eggs.

 

As a business person who used to make deals for a living, there are surely some deals that you have to walk away from, not pleasant but quite normal - you can't win 'em all.  But when you walked in to one before thinking properly about the consequences, and then find yourself looking like a choosy beggar, then you're well and truly stuffed. Big time.


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  # 2311756 6-Sep-2019 14:02
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Words fail me.

 

Suspending parliament is bad for democracy but denying a general election is somehow better, as is ignoring the referendum vote.

 

Johnson now can't leave without a deal but as a result has no leverage to get one. 

 

Both main political parties are fracturing between those who want deals, no deals, or no Brexit at all.

 

None of this is going magically resolve itself on 31st October. 


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  # 2311772 6-Sep-2019 14:14
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sir1963:

 

elpenguino:

 

Cmon Boris, since there's not going to be a no-deal brexit, just do a deal.

 

How hard can it be?

 

 

VERY hard.

 

The EU wants to seen as punishing the UK for leaving

 

The UK seems to think they should get what ever they want.... rule Britannia and all that

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem is almost entirely on the UK side as different factions want different things, from the remainers who don't want to leave at all so try to endlessly block all options, to the leave at any cost brigade who are doing the same thing. They are like spoiled children.

 

The factions should have compromised and accepted May's deal. The Irish backstop would have only come into force if no solution was found in the next 2 years and, even if that wasn't achieved, it would have been solved eventually and the UK would then be out of the customs union and single market, possibly at the same time as a new trade deal came into force. 

 

Johnsons strategy was always high risk because he took over the job with no majority in Parliament but in his defence he might as well have tried something different as Mays approach was going nowhere.

 

As long as there is an election quickly and it delivers a workable majority to one group or another then the situation can be resolved. Johnson would overturn the latest no deal legislation and leave deal or no deal and Corbyn and Co would have another referendum which the remainers would probably win thru voter fatigue and article 50 would be revoked.

 

Of course if Corbyn and his cronies took power brexit would be the least of the countries worries. They make the current crop of Tories look like moderates.


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  # 2311785 6-Sep-2019 14:31
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GV27:

 

 

 

Johnson now can't leave without a deal but as a result has no leverage to get one. 

 

 

 

 

And the responsibility for finding himself in that position falls on who?

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson when positioning himself to become (an unelected) Prime Minister insisted that the chance of a no-deal Brexit was "a million to one",  that he'd be able to make a better deal - though the EU made their position very clear that the deal on the table was as good as it was going to get, threatened the EU that he'd default on payment of the already negotiated "divorce settlement" just to stick it up them, then gamed the system by shutting down parliament so that the default position of a no-deal crash-out was almost certain.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2311789 6-Sep-2019 14:37
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GV27:

 

None of this is going magically resolve itself on 31st October. 

 

 

 

 

Yes it will because unless an extension is requested and granted then the UK leaves on 31st October with no deal.





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  # 2311795 6-Sep-2019 14:44
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SaltyNZ:

 

GV27:

 

None of this is going magically resolve itself on 31st October. 

 

 

 

 

Yes it will because unless an extension is requested and granted then the UK leaves on 31st October with no deal.

 

 

So they have effectively painted themselves into a corner.


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  # 2311801 6-Sep-2019 14:55
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So they have effectively painted themselves into a corner.

 

 

 

 

They were already there. Boris has merely thrown broken glass on top of the paint.





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