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  # 2311819 6-Sep-2019 15:23
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None of this is going magically resolve itself on 31st October. 

 

 

Yes it will because unless an extension is requested and granted then the UK leaves on 31st October with no deal.

 

 

That solves the 'will they/won't they' Brexit bit.

 

It doesn't go anywhere near resolving the crisis within an increasingly disconnected political class who can't even agree along their own party lines. 


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  # 2311822 6-Sep-2019 15:24
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So they have effectively painted themselves into a corner.

 

 

They were already there. Boris has merely thrown broken glass on top of the paint.

 

 

OTOH, Boris has now purged most of the moderate Tory rebels, he's still leader, in a GE he'll probably lose some votes from moderate Tory supporters, but probably pick up all the votes from a defunct Brexit Party if no-deal has happened.

 

Opposition is split between Lib Dems and Labour, there's a chance that he could form a majority in a GE, and then the UK would have the most hard-right / populist government of all time, for a full 5 years, coinciding with certain economic recession and turmoil (including re-ignition of conflict in Ireland). It's a nightmare scenario.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2311829 6-Sep-2019 15:29
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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson when positioning himself to become (an unelected) Prime Minister.....

 

 

He was elected according to the rules that are in force at the moment.

 

John Major and Gordon Brown became PM in similar circumstances. Major was elected to the post by Tory MP's who ousted Thatcher and he actually went on to surprisingly win a general election. Brown was installed by Labour MP's unopposed when Blair resigned and then went on to lose the only general election he contested.

 

It's just how it works.


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  # 2311842 6-Sep-2019 15:58
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BBC News - Brexit: What happens now?

 

 

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  # 2311844 6-Sep-2019 16:03
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Opposition is split between Lib Dems and Labour, there's a chance that he could form a majority in a GE, and then the UK would have the most hard-right / populist government of all time, for a full 5 years, coinciding with certain economic recession and turmoil (including re-ignition of conflict in Ireland). It's a nightmare scenario.

 

 

Thatcher may have been more right wing. Difficult to say until you know what policies they put forward.

 

If Corbyn wins they will definitely have the most hard left government of all time and economically the financial markets would take that result much worse.

 

They are stuck between a rock and another rock.


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BBC News - Newspaper headlines: Minister Jo Johnson quits to spend less time with family

 

Most papers focus on departure of Boris Johnson’s brother over Brexit, a move that appeared to rattle the leader

 

Metro:  BOJO BLOW AS BRO JO GOES

 

The Sun:  BOJO BRO JOJO GOES

 





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  # 2312138 7-Sep-2019 10:36
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The New York Times - Boris Johnson’s Do-or-Die Debacle

 

Sept. 6, 2019

 


In just six weeks as Britain’s leader, Johnson has purged, and prorogued, and pontificated, and postured, and pronounced plenty of do-or-die piffle (it looks like die right now). 

 

He has lost his majority of one, his brother Jo, Winston Churchill’s grandson, the good will of many Tories and several votes in the House of Commons. 

 

As for “the people,” whom he claims to represent, Johnson never had them, having been elected by 92,153 members of his own party, most of them at the far end of actuarial tables. ...

 

But the people voted for this in the 2016 referendum! No, they did not. 

 

They voted for the smooth, orderly exit promised by Johnson and his ilk. 

 

There is no evidence, none, that a majority of “the people” want Johnson’s no-deal Brexit. ...

 

Still, Johnson is right about one thing: Britain needs an election.  

 

It cannot, at this point, decide its future for the coming decades - and that’s what Brexit will determine - without the balance of political forces being clarified. 

 

An election would in effect be a form of referendum on the 2016 vote. 

 

If the “Remainer” parties, principally the Liberal Democrats, do well, the election could be the forerunner of an actual second referendum, based this time on reality rather than fantasy. ...

 



 





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  # 2312352 7-Sep-2019 16:14
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BBC News - Brexit - Opposition parties to reject PM election move

 


UK opposition parties have agreed not to back Boris Johnson's demand for a general election before the EU summit in mid-October.

 

Labour, the Lib Dems, the SNP and Plaid Cymru say they will vote against the government or abstain in Monday's vote on whether to hold a snap poll.

 

Meanwhile, a bill designed to prevent a no-deal Brexit has been approved by the House of Lords and will pass into law.

 

It will force the prime minister to ask the EU for the Brexit deadline to be extended beyond 31 October if no deal is agreed by the UK and Brussels by 19 October.

 






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  # 2312680 8-Sep-2019 09:55
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The New York Times - The ‘Political Anarchist’ Behind Britain’s Chaos

 

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s Rasputin, is happy to watch the country blow up if he gets what he wants.

 

Sept. 7, 2019

 


He outwitted Britain’s establishment by combining a brilliantly simple slogan - “Take back control” - with shameless lies about the European Union, the National Health Service and the danger that Turks could soon emigrate to Britain en masse, all backed up by a huge and hidden microtargeted social media campaign. 

 

Every element was designed to have a powerful, visceral appeal.

 

Mr. Cummings proved that stories and lies, allied to strategic cunning, conviction, secrecy, ruthlessness and upending convention, could be much more appealing than reason and fact. 

 

Years of studying and writing obsessively about the art of strategy, the failings of most institutions and the success of revolutionary thinkers like Otto von Bismarck had paid off.

 

Now this single-minded insurgent is the most powerful individual in the British government, vaulted into Downing Street as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s chief strategic adviser. 

 

His job is to deliver Brexit and win Mr. Johnson five years more in office, making up for the prime minister’s deficiencies as a lazy, inattentive bumbler. 

 

Mr. Cummings is deploying all the techniques that have worked for him before: disruption, deception, intimidation and an implacable willingness to alienate people.

 

Those tactics have gone off in British politics this week like a series of grenades.

 

No prime minister has had a more calamitous start. ...

 

Mr. Cummings now faces a fight to keep Mr. Johnson on form and on track in the face of tremendous blowback from an outraged party. 

 

But he’s still the master; he calculates that Mr. Johnson can’t afford to lose him now that he has cut so many of his old allies out. 

 

Whether Mr. Johnson is heading for either triumph or disaster isn’t up to Mr. Johnson. 

 

His course is being set by Dominic Cummings. ...

 





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  # 2312747 8-Sep-2019 10:52
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SJB:

 

If Corbyn wins they will definitely have the most hard left government of all time and economically the financial markets would take that result much worse.

 

 

82 economist signatories to an article published in the Financial Times don't agree with what The Sun and Boris want the the plebs to believe.

 

It's also not coincidence that the markets are responding favorably to news of every failure of Boris.

 

I do believe that many still believe in neoliberalism, trickle-down economics - including many who are too stupid to understand that they've been manipulated into supporting policy directly against their own best interests. UK has had ten years of supposedly essential  "austerity" inflicted on everybody except the elites. 

 

 


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  # 2312751 8-Sep-2019 11:05
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SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson when positioning himself to become (an unelected) Prime Minister.....

 

 

He was elected according to the rules that are in force at the moment.

 

John Major and Gordon Brown became PM in similar circumstances. Major was elected to the post by Tory MP's who ousted Thatcher and he actually went on to surprisingly win a general election. Brown was installed by Labour MP's unopposed when Blair resigned and then went on to lose the only general election he contested.

 

It's just how it works.

 

 

Does not change the the fact that he's an unelected PM, who has reversed the pledge by the PM he replaced to allow parliament final say on any deal (or lack of) before invoking A50, then rather than seek a mandate, game the system so there is no mandate for a no-deal Brexit.

 

We've had plenty of unelected PMs in NZ too - for a variety of reasons, but I don't recall anything as divisive as effectively a coup by the hard right.  Shipley maybe, but she's only a little bit crooked.


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BBC News - Amber Rudd quits government over Johnson's Brexit stance

 

BREAKING

 


Amber Rudd has quit the cabinet and surrendered the Conservative whip saying she cannot "stand by" while "moderate Conservatives are expelled".

 

The work and pensions secretary said she no longer believed leaving the EU with a deal was the government's "main objective".

 

Ms Rudd described the sacking of 21 Tory MPs on Tuesday as an "assault on decency and democracy". ..

 

 

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The Washington Post - Boris Johnson will do anything for Brexit. Even destroy his own party.

 

The push to leave Europe is tearing up one of democracy’s most successful institutions. 

 

September 6, 2019 

 


This past week, in the most brutal internal act in its modern history, the British Conservative Party threw out 21 of its own lawmakers. 

 

Old, respected, moderate Conservative members of Parliament were summarily ejected from the party - by text message - after they defied Prime Minister Boris Johnson and voted this week to stop Britain from leaving the European Union without a replacement trade deal in place to prevent economic chaos. 

 

Johnson’s new regime isn’t concerned with niceties like preventing economic chaos, though; it views politics not as a debate over ideas and policies, but as a form of trench warfare.

 

The Tory Party - one of the most successful and long-lasting political parties in the Western world - has turned itself into a hard-right organization operated with missionary zeal. 

 

That approach led Johnson to eradicate his own majority by expelling perceived apostates. 

 

By Wednesday, he was helpless to stop the passage of legislation preventing a no-deal Brexit and couldn’t even call an early election that might help him change the parliamentary math. 

 

In discarding everything but the most hardcore dogma, the Tories are slowly dismantling their own government.  ...

 

Tradition, the supposedly sacrosanct notion behind the party’s political ideology, has given way to the overarching mission of leaving Europe. 

 

Instead of fighting a battle of ideas, the Conservative Party has created a world where anything done in the name of the people is right and anyone who disagrees is a traitor.

 

 

 





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