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  # 2313112 8-Sep-2019 16:24
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It just keeps on getting worse ...

 

BBC News - Tories bid to depose Speaker Bercow after Commons revolt

 

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The Conservative Party plans to stand a candidate against Speaker John Bercow for his role in allowing MPs to take control of the Commons agenda.

 

Business secretary Andrea Leadsom accused the Speaker in the Mail on Sunday of "flagrant abuse" of process.

 

Breaching convention, the party plans to oppose Mr Bercow in his Buckingham constituency at the next election.

 

Formerly a Tory, Mr Bercow gave up his party affiliation when he took on the impartial role.

 

As the highest authority in the House of Commons, the Speaker chairs MPs' debates.

 

In order to be impartial, the Speaker resigns from their party, and - while they still stand in general elections - they are usually unopposed by the main parties, and they do not campaign on political issues.

 





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  # 2313372 9-Sep-2019 08:35
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BBC News - Brexit's big week: Five things that happened this weekend

 

1) Amber Rudd goes out with a bang (cabinet resignation)

 

2) Tories target John Bercow (the Speaker)

 

3) Does a legal showdown await? (the government could attempt to circumvent the cross-party bill which would force the PM to request another Brexit delay)

 

4) Election pact proposal  (Conservative +  Brexit Party)

 

5) But we didn't find out ... the government's detailed proposals for replacing the contentious backstop plan.





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  # 2313416 9-Sep-2019 09:40
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You forgot to add: French Foreign Minister says that an extension request would be denied under the current circumstances.





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  # 2313423 9-Sep-2019 09:54
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BBC News - Brexit's big week: Five things that happened this weekend

 

1) Amber Rudd goes out with a bang (cabinet resignation)

 

2) Tories target John Bercow (The Speaker)

 

3) Does a legal showdown await? (the government could attempt to circumvent the cross-party bill which would force the PM to request another Brexit delay)

 

4) Election pact proposal  (Conservative +  Brexit Party)

 

5) But we didn't find out ... the government's detailed proposals for replacing the contentious backstop plan.

 

 

For a guy who did classics at uni, you'd expect he would have heard of Pyrrhus.

 

Mebbe he was busy goofing off with his chums that lesson.




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  # 2313443 9-Sep-2019 10:33
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has also taken a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress.

Pyrrhic victory is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at the Battle of Heraclea in 280 BC and the Battle of Asculum in 279 BC, during the Pyrrhic War.

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  # 2313450 9-Sep-2019 10:49
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How many of these clowns are starting to wonder if they should have signed the first deal? To me it looks like BJ is holding the cards and whatever the outcome he wins.

 

Doing nothing = Brexit no Deal = BJ Wins

 

BJ Ignores Block and just ploughs ahead = Brexit No Deal = BJ Wins (with Legal smack on the wrist)

 

General Election is called = BJ is clearly ahead in polls so will probably win = Brexit No Deal = BJ Wins

 

Go Back Negotiate new terms = Very doubtful = Brexit terms stand =Breixt No Deal = BJ Wins

 

Going back to negotiate an extended exit date. = EU allow it = General Election = BJ Wins = Brexit No Deal = BJ Wins

 

Going back to negotiate terms or an extended exit date. = EU don't allow it = Brexit No Deal = BJ Wins

 

What have I missed? apart from BJ loosing a General Election I see one of the 6 options above being the most likely outcomes. 

 

 




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  # 2313893 10-Sep-2019 07:14
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Imagine this scenario: A new boss is transferred into your department.

During a staff meeting he announces "The new child labor laws are lousy, and I'm going to test the limit of what is required of me."

Unrelated here's an article from the BBC

Brexit: Parliament suspension to go ahead later

The five-week suspension of Parliament will begin later, after MPs are expected to again reject government calls for a snap election.

Opposition MPs confirmed they would not back the push for a 15 October poll, insisting a law blocking a no-deal Brexit must be implemented first.

Ministers have called the law "lousy" and said they would "test to the limit" what it required of them.

Boris Johnson has been warned he could face legal action for flouting it.

At present, UK law states that the country will leave the EU on 31 October, regardless of whether a withdrawal deal has been agreed with Brussels or not.

But the new legislation, which was granted royal assent on Monday, changes that, and will force the PM to seek a delay to 31 January 2020 unless a deal - or a no-deal exit - is approved by MPs by 19 October.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said although No 10 insisted it was not looking to break the new law, efforts were under way to examine ways of getting around it.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49630094

 
 
 
 


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  # 2313902 10-Sep-2019 07:54
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The Washington Post - House of Commons Speaker John Bercow says he will step down, as lawmakers prepare for critical Brexit vote

 

September 9 at 11:45 AM

 


LONDON - The colorful and controversial speaker of the British House of Commons announced a surprise resignation Monday, hours before Parliament was expected to again reject Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s call for early elections.

 

John Bercow - known for his enthusiastic shouting of “order, order” and his stalwart defense of Parliamentary power - set the tone on a day of rebellion with the declaration that he would step down on Oct. 31, if the push for an October election indeed fails.

 

Bercow has been an outspoken advocate for allowing Parliament to serve as a check on the prime minister’s power at a time when critics say Johnson has been all too willing to flout important conventions of the British political system.

 

The speaker’s stance was significant last week, with Bercow giving lawmakers the chance to block Johnson’s attempts to take Britain out of the E.U. without a deal.

 

Most lawmakers gave Bercow a standing ovation on Monday - a rare display on the House floor - though many hard line Brexiteers, who believe Bercow is biased toward the pro-E.U. camp, stayed seated. ...

 

 





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  # 2313903 10-Sep-2019 08:03
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The Republican perspective ...

 

 

 





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BBC News - Brexit: Boris Johnson's second attempt to trigger election fails

 

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MPs have again rejected Prime Minister Boris Johnson's calls for a snap election, as the five-week suspension of Parliament begins.

 

In all, 293 MPs voted for the prime minister's motion for an early poll, far short of the number needed.

 

Earlier, opposition MPs confirmed they would not back the push for a 15 October poll, insisting a law blocking a no-deal Brexit must be implemented.

 

Mr Johnson has been warned he could face legal action for flouting it. ...

 



 





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  # 2314353 10-Sep-2019 16:00
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The New York Times - For Boris Johnson, Another Bad Day and Another Big Defeat in Parliament

 

Sept. 9, 2019

 


LONDON — British lawmakers, capping what may be one of the most abysmal starts any British leader has ever endured, on Monday rejected Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s bid to hold a new national election.

 

For Britain’s bare-knuckled new prime minister, it was a day of defeat. 

 

Parliament’s rejection of a snap election came as a new law went into effect on Monday blocking Mr. Johnson from pursuing a “no deal” withdrawal from the European Union.

 

Parliament is now suspended until mid-October, the result of earlier political maneuvering by the prime minister. 

 

But by Monday’s end, it seemed clear that if Mr. Johnson had thought he could outfox Parliament by suspending it, sidelining lawmakers at a critical moment in the Brexit debate, he was the one who had been outmaneuvered. ...

 

 

 

 

 

Tweedledum and Tweedledee





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  # 2314394 10-Sep-2019 17:17
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Europe is genuinely worried about Britain

 

  • The Austrian newspaper Der Standard:

“Johnson and his henchmen clearly think Brexit is more important than democracy and the rule of law”

 

  • Germany’s international public broadcaster DW:

“Boris Johnson, the UK dictator,” blared the headline of an opinion piece by the network’s senior European correspondent.

 

  • France’s Le Monde newspaper:

Suspending Parliament in the way Johnson did constituted the “most flagrant attack on democracy that Britain has ever known.”





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  # 2314417 10-Sep-2019 17:45
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And now for something completely different.

Boris Johnson's complicated design legacy in London

..."Ranging from architecture to public art to transport, they rank amongst the stupidest, most ill-conceived works of design I've seen in my life," Murphy wrote, "a series of whimsical follies stunning not only for the shallowness of their conception, but also for the sheer fact that the unstoppable will of Johnson managed to make so many of them happen."...

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/boris-johnson-london-architecture/index.html


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  # 2314520 10-Sep-2019 20:32
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Love the comment in the thread:

 

"Due to the proroguing it may be up to six weeks before the record is broken again"

 

It's becoming increasingly bizarre as this is unfolding.


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  # 2314530 10-Sep-2019 21:11
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It's obsessive viewing, even better than Trump vs Clinton. There are so many twists and turns.

 

He can't govern because he has never had a working majority. May had a small majority and couldn't get anything agreed so he was on a hiding to nothing from day one. If he hadn't suspended Parliament the same thing would happened, just not so quickly. Nobody else would have achieved a different result.

 

When you hear the leader of one of the smaller parties say in an interview 'We won't agree to an election date. We want to see Johnson squirm' you know that something has gone seriously wrong with MP's attitudes and priorities and that's on all sides.


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