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  # 2317773 14-Sep-2019 14:12
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shk292:

 

Rikkitic:

 

The Times is not a paper most people subscribe to, or want to.

 

 

A slightly strange comment - The Times is the most popular of the "non-tabloid" newspapers in the UK by quite a large margin

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/529060/uk-newspaper-market-by-circulation/

 

 

 

 

Not so trustworthy though since it's acquisition by News Corp. Who would trust any media outlet owned by Murdoch?


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  # 2317799 14-Sep-2019 15:31
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SJB:

 

Not so trustworthy though since it's acquisition by News Corp. Who would trust any media outlet owned by Murdoch?

 

 

Someone without prejudice?

 

I rarely read the Times because I subscribe to the Telegraph online.  But when I have read it, I haven't noticed that its content appears untrue or biased.  Have you had a different experience?


 
 
 
 


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  # 2317807 14-Sep-2019 15:42
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shk292:

 

SJB:

 

Not so trustworthy though since it's acquisition by News Corp. Who would trust any media outlet owned by Murdoch?

 

 

Someone without prejudice?

 

I rarely read the Times because I subscribe to the Telegraph online.  But when I have read it, I haven't noticed that its content appears untrue or biased.  Have you had a different experience?

 

 

Completely prejudiced - can't stand the guy. Just look what his organization did while running the News Of the World.


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SJB:

 

[re. The Times]   Not so trustworthy though since it's acquisition by News Corp. Who would trust any media outlet owned by Murdoch?

 

 

 

 

Like many Australians, I despise and distrust Rupert Murdoch - think of the damage that Fox News has done.

 

I subscribe to The Guardian, The Times (of London), The New York Times, and The Washington Post - between them I get a spread of opinions about international news.

 

If and when Murdoch / News Corp starts to corrupt / dumb down The Times, I will cancel my subscription.





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  # 2317907 14-Sep-2019 18:59
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The Globe and Mail (Canada) - How bad is Boris Johnson? We can’t even find the words

 

Editorial - Published September 5, 2019

 


British politics today is what results from the collision of an unstoppable force, an immovable object, and a clown car.

 

The unstoppable force is the dominant faction of Britain’s Conservative Party, which insists on not just an exit from the European Union, but the most catastrophic exit possible.

 

The immovable object is reality - the reality that a no-deal Brexit will play havoc with the economy and hurt real people; the reality that a majority of Parliament and the people will not back it; the reality that the Brexit-at-any-cost crowd can’t press the detonator without majority approval.

 

And the clown car is Mr. Johnson. ...

 





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Sideface:

 



 

The Globe and Mail (Canada) - How bad is Boris Johnson? We can’t even find the words

 

Editorial - Published September 5, 2019

 


British politics today is what results from the collision of an unstoppable force, an immovable object, and a clown car.

 

The unstoppable force is the dominant faction of Britain’s Conservative Party, which insists on not just an exit from the European Union, but the most catastrophic exit possible.

 

The immovable object is reality - the reality that a no-deal Brexit will play havoc with the economy and hurt real people; the reality that a majority of Parliament and the people will not back it; the reality that the Brexit-at-any-cost crowd can’t press the detonator without majority approval.

 

And the clown car is Mr. Johnson. ...

 

 

 

The writer qualifies only 2 out of 3 of his assertions, realizing the 3rd won't be required.

 

Absolutely beautiful, still chuckling.




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I guess if you're reading this, you already know Johnson is a child of immense privilege who studied at the most elite schools in the United Kingdom (Eton and Oxford). He once wrote penned an essay titled "Long Live Elitism"

He's a racist who has used described Africans with "water melon smiles" and as "AIDS ridden choristers."

He wrote an article in 2002 called "Africa is a mess, but we can’t blame colonialism"

He's throws ancient sexist insults. Here's an backgrounder article called "When did 'big girl's blouse' become an insult?" by Dot Wordsworth

...Last week, Sky News revealed what Boris Johnson said about David Cameron in private cabinet papers, after it had obtained an ‘unredacted’ copy of documents disclosed to court. The Prime Minister referred to him as ‘girlie swot Cameron’.

...Mr Johnson also shouted at Jeremy Corbyn during Prime Minister’s Questions last week: ‘Call an election, you great big girl’s blouse.’ This is an even more recent term than girlie swot.


May I present Monty Python "Upper Class Twit of the Year"


 
 
 
 


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  # 2318009 15-Sep-2019 09:06
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BBC News - David Cameron: Johnson and Gove behaved 'appallingly'

 

14 September 2019

 


David Cameron has accused the current prime minister, Boris Johnson, of behaving "appallingly" during the EU referendum campaign.

 

Speaking to the Times ahead of the launch of his memoir, the former Tory PM attacked some colleagues who backed Leave for "trashing the government".

 

Mr Cameron* said the result in 2016 had left him "hugely depressed" and he knew "some people will never forgive me".

 

He also said another referendum cannot be ruled out "because we're stuck".

 

Mr Cameron criticised Mr Johnson's strategy for dealing with Brexit, including his decision to suspend Parliament ahead of the 31 October deadline and removing the whip from 21 Tory MPs who voted to block a no-deal Brexit. ...

 



 

 


Mr Cameron called the referendum in 2016 after promising it in the Conservative Party's election manifesto the year before. 
He campaigned for Remain, but lost the vote by 52% to 48%, and announced within hours he would be stepping down as PM. 

 

 





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  # 2318020 15-Sep-2019 10:05
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Still hard to see "keeping having referendums until you get a result you like" is a democratically sound way of doing things. 

 

Frankly they should have a new referendum about whether they apply to rejoin the EU on 1 November and then just see if their 'leave' negotiations can basically be just 'roll over our membership the following day and change our name by like one letter or something'. 


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  # 2318025 15-Sep-2019 10:32
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I don't think it is a question of having referendums until they get a result they want, but after everything that has happened there is some justification for doing the referendum over one more time just to see if it brings more clarity. Anecdotal evidence suggests that at least some people who voted to leave have changed their mind. 

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  # 2318027 15-Sep-2019 10:39
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GV27:

Still hard to see "keeping having referendums until you get a result you like" is a democratically sound way of doing things. 


Frankly they should have a new referendum about whether they apply to rejoin the EU on 1 November and then just see if their 'leave' negotiations can basically be just 'roll over our membership the following day and change our name by like one letter or something'. 



Nice, then both leavers and remainers get what they want.
Although the leavers get to leave only in principle and for the time it takes to pass the law to reapply which might be a day or two.

But yeah if you're paying more than lip service. to the notion of democracy Brexit needs to occur



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  # 2318057 15-Sep-2019 12:04
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GV27: Frankly they should have a new referendum about whether they apply to rejoin the EU on 1 November and then just see if their 'leave' negotiations can basically be just 'roll over our membership the following day and change our name by like one letter or something'. 



Well, Porsche added "turbo" to their electric vehicle model name, even though it doesn't have a turbo.

Perhaps the UK could be a "EU turbo member"




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  # 2318064 15-Sep-2019 12:34
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GV27: Frankly they should have a new referendum about whether they apply to rejoin the EU on 1 November and then just see if their 'leave' negotiations can basically be just 'roll over our membership the following day and change our name by like one letter or something'. 


Well, Porsche added "turbo" to their electric vehicle model name, even though it doesn't have a turbo.

Perhaps the UK could be a "EU turbo member"



 

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GV27:

 

Still hard to see "keeping having referendums until you get a result you like" is a democratically sound way of doing things. 

 

Frankly they should have a new referendum about whether they apply to rejoin the EU on 1 November and then just see if their 'leave' negotiations can basically be just 'roll over our membership the following day and change our name by like one letter or something'. 

 

 

 

 

You can if you remember the outright lies told by the leave campaign that have been exposed since the election and that the leave campaign had been found to have broken the law around campaigning and financing. The courts ruled that since the result was non-binding they had no authority to strike the result down. Finally you can present the leave options to the public as a new binding referendum e.g Do you want to invoke article 50 under the terms negotiated in the deal Y/N?

 

 


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