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  # 2326007 27-Sep-2019 13:51
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... Parliament (remainers) are enacting a coup against the democratically elected government...



Until we see people marching around with guns and a few dead bodies I don't think you can really call it a coup.



I think those that are called haters, racists, nationalists etc are peacefully awaiting to show their democratic will again, while those who claim to be progressive and inclusive are to chicken sh!t to give them an opportunity.

That's not making a lot of sense. I assume in part you are mostly referring to the Labour and Lib Dem members of parliament. Both parties have stated they will agree to an election if Johnson agrees to attempt to extend the negotiation period if no deal is reached by Oct 31. This seems reasonable. Since there is no way to practically hold an election in that timeframe. It makes sense that responsibility for Brexit should be dealt with by the newly elected government

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  # 2326021 27-Sep-2019 14:25
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... Parliament (remainers) are enacting a coup against the democratically elected government...


 



 


Until we see people marching around with guns and a few dead bodies I don't think you can really call it a coup.




I think those that are called haters, racists, nationalists etc are peacefully awaiting to show their democratic will again, while those who claim to be progressive and inclusive are to chicken sh!t to give them an opportunity.


Really? Why do they threaten mayhem if there was to be another referendum?


Peacefully - LOL.  Joe Cox RIP.



Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...




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  # 2326025 27-Sep-2019 14:33
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Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...

 

Well it looks like they tried really very hard - but haven't been able to - because representative democracy got in the way.


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  # 2326082 27-Sep-2019 14:55
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Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...


Well it looks like they tried really very hard - but haven't been able to - because representative democracy got in the way.



You're having a laugh right? Parliament wants to revoke article 50, or at very least to enact the Norway model which has always been the remainers 'compromise', that doesn't adhere to the in/out that was offered though.




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  # 2326091 27-Sep-2019 15:24
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Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...


Well it looks like they tried really very hard - but haven't been able to - because representative democracy got in the way.



You're having a laugh right? Parliament wants to revoke article 50, or at very least to enact the Norway model which has always been the remainers 'compromise', that doesn't adhere to the in/out that was offered though.


Now you're making stuff up. "Parliament" doesn't want to do anything. The UK can't get a deal which is favourable and leave the Good Friday accords in place.

MPs differ on what an acceptable deal looks like so nothing gets passed. That is somewhat different than what you wrote.

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  # 2326095 27-Sep-2019 15:41
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It's been well documented that at least 70% of MP's voted remain and would do so again, so parliament as a collective is actively trying to cancel BREXIT as they do not believe in it.

Also if they truly trusted the people to make the 'right' decision next time, they'd have allowed an election by know, but they're cowards and know what the result will be.




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  # 2326098 27-Sep-2019 15:43
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DS9:
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Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...

 

 

 

Well it looks like they tried really very hard - but haven't been able to - because representative democracy got in the way.

 



You're having a laugh right? Parliament wants to revoke article 50, or at very least to enact the Norway model which has always been the remainers 'compromise', that doesn't adhere to the in/out that was offered though.

 

No - I'm not having a laugh.  Representative democracy isn't bound to act on the referendum results.  I'm highly confident that direct democracy would result in a return of public hangings for entertainment on the back of mass hysteria about one heinous crime.

 

I'm opposed to the referendum we're having next year because the hoopleheads making a choice on a serious but complex issue are already being influenced by billboards on the streets by religious nutters and tee-totalling zealots telling mistruths about the sky falling, as well as dope-heads spreading their own fictitious claims that not only is the stuff harmless, but it'll actually cure everything from verrucas to cradle cap.  Then whatever the result, whatever new evidence comes to light, the brainwashed won't accept it - and will argue that "the will of the people" has been served.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2326101 27-Sep-2019 15:58
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DS9: It's been well documented that at least 70% of MP's voted remain and would do so again, so parliament as a collective is actively trying to cancel BREXIT as they do not believe in it.

Also if they truly trusted the people to make the 'right' decision next time, they'd have allowed an election by know, but they're cowards and know what the result will be.

 

Lol, did that come Facebook? You aren't making a great deal of sense. If "parliament" was actively trying to cancel Brexit how did the withdrawl legislation get passed?

 

Honestly this sounds straight out of the MAGA playbook. Ignore the facts and just spout lots of accusations that sound good but ignore any form of nuance.


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  # 2326324 28-Sep-2019 15:02
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This cartoon summarizes the current stalemate ...

 





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  # 2326451 28-Sep-2019 19:22
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DS9: It's been well documented that at least 70% of MP's voted remain and would do so again, so parliament as a collective is actively trying to cancel BREXIT as they do not believe in it.

Also if they truly trusted the people to make the 'right' decision next time, they'd have allowed an election by know, but they're cowards and know what the result will be.

 

Lol, did that come Facebook? You aren't making a great deal of sense. If "parliament" was actively trying to cancel Brexit how did the withdrawl legislation get passed?

 

Honestly this sounds straight out of the MAGA playbook. Ignore the facts and just spout lots of accusations that sound good but ignore any form of nuance.

 

 

This is from the BBC directly.

 





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  # 2326452 28-Sep-2019 19:25
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MPs personal stances don't mean that they are trying to "cancel" brexit. It means they personally voted against it. The two are not the same.

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  # 2326454 28-Sep-2019 19:31
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DS9: This is from the BBC directly.

 

 

 

This is very old news.

 

I'd be more interested in something from 2019.

 

Incidentally, I think that the MPs were absolutely right in 2016.

 

[Disclosure: I am a British national living in New Zealand, and I visited England last month. I'm very glad that I don't live there now, with such a poisonous political atmosphere.]





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  # 2326482 28-Sep-2019 20:56
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I was accused of 'fake news', now it's "old news".

 

 

 

I'm also a British Citizen from Bishopstoke, Hampshire and I moved here in 2002, I'm eligible for citizenship again next year because I lived in Oshawa, Canada for 3 years between 2013 & 2016. Talking to family and friends since the vote, the leavers are far more entrenched and the remainers are so angry with parliament procrastinating with brexit that they'd vote for Boris just to get it done, though the young ones, want another referendum because they couldn't vote...

I voted leave in the 2016 referendum, if I was eligible, I'd vote that way again.

 

 

 

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  # 2326610 29-Sep-2019 10:31
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BBC News - Boris Johnson no-confidence vote could be next week, says SNP MP Stewart Hosie

 

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A vote of no confidence in the government aimed at replacing Boris Johnson as prime minister could be held next week, a senior SNP MP has said.

 

Stewart Hosie told the BBC such a move may be the only way of avoiding a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

 

"We have to do that because there is now no confidence that the prime minister will obey the law and seek the extension that Parliament voted for only a few weeks ago." ...

 

The aim of a no-confidence vote would be to install an interim prime minister who would secure a short Brexit delay and then call a general election. ...

 

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon hinted on Friday she might back Jeremy Corbyn becoming a "caretaker" prime minister.

 

The Liberal Democrats have, however, said the Labour leader is too divisive a figure to play such a role. ...

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 2326635 29-Sep-2019 11:35
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DS9:
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DS9:

Maybe they should enact the first one before claiming they'll honour another one...

 

 

 

Well it looks like they tried really very hard - but haven't been able to - because representative democracy got in the way.

 



You're having a laugh right? Parliament wants to revoke article 50, or at very least to enact the Norway model which has always been the remainers 'compromise', that doesn't adhere to the in/out that was offered though.

 

No - I'm not having a laugh.  Representative democracy isn't bound to act on the referendum results.  I'm highly confident that direct democracy would result in a return of public hangings for entertainment on the back of mass hysteria about one heinous crime.

 

I'm opposed to the referendum we're having next year because the hoopleheads making a choice on a serious but complex issue are already being influenced by billboards on the streets by religious nutters and tee-totalling zealots telling mistruths about the sky falling, as well as dope-heads spreading their own fictitious claims that not only is the stuff harmless, but it'll actually cure everything from verrucas to cradle cap.  Then whatever the result, whatever new evidence comes to light, the brainwashed won't accept it - and will argue that "the will of the people" has been served.

 

 

For quite a while I was in favor of increasing the number of referendums along the lines of Switzerland and having a short Parliamentary term as well so you could kick out those you didn't agree with pretty quickly.

 

But I've changed my mind. In the age of social media (aka he who shouts loudest or lies best wins) where everyone seems to think their opinion on any subject is of value (it's not) I think referendums should be ditched and parliamentary terms should be 4 or 5 years.

 

We are in an era where many people seem to think they can affect change almost overnight (an idea created by the immediacy of social media)  and that is not a recipe for stable democracy.

 

A long parliamentary term gives our representives more time to consider (hopefully) beneficial change rather than thinking about the next election almost as soon as they take their seat. And if they do something which the electorate really objects to the next government can always overturn it.


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