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  # 2326637 29-Sep-2019 11:41
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So how is that working out for Switzerland these days?

 

 





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  # 2326640 29-Sep-2019 11:45
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Not sure what you mean. I do know they have a lot of referendums, some on pretty mundane topics I imagine.


 
 
 
 




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  # 2326650 29-Sep-2019 12:00
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Off-topic but perhaps Rikkitic is referring to this.

P.S. "EFTA" is the "European Free Trade Association" is a regional trade organization and free trade area consisting of four European states: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-eu/swiss-minister-pessimistic-on-swift-eu-treaty-wary-on-britain-joining-efta-idUKKCN1VM185

Swiss minister pessimistic on swift EU treaty, wary on Britain joining EFTA

ZURICH (Reuters) - Switzerland is unlikely to strike a deal with the European Union this year over a stalled partnership treaty, its economy minister said, extending an impasse that has hurt bilateral ties and disrupted cross-border share trading.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has urged Bern to wrap up the accord before his term ends on Oct. 31, when German politician Ursula von der Leyen is set to replace him.

The Swiss government has also said it would like to clinch a deal by then if three final points can be clarified.

Economy Minister Guy Parmelin, however, told the SonntagsZeitung newspaper that he was pessimistic, given that representatives of Swiss labour, employers and cantons had been unable to find common ground Switzerland could use in the talks.

“We want a good solution that can win majority support, and that is not the case at the moment,” said Parmelin, a member of the right-wing and eurosceptic Swiss People’s Party.

“I don’t think we can wrap up this year. Our agenda and that of the EU allow a conclusion only next year at the earliest,” he said, citing Swiss elections in October, the creation of a new European Commission team and a Swiss referendum due next year on abolishing free movement of EU citizens.

Brussels blocked EU-based investors from trading on Swiss exchanges from July 1 as the row escalated over the treaty under which non-member Switzerland would routinely adopt the EU single market rules. The Swiss retaliated by banning EU venues from hosting Swiss stock trading.

In Bern, resistance to the treaty — negotiated over 4-1/2 years and Switzerland’s top foreign policy issue — encompasses the normally pro-Europe centre-left to the anti-EU far right, which both see the pact infringing Swiss sovereignty.

Failure to secure a treaty deal with its biggest trading partner means Switzerland gets no new access to the single market, its crucial export outlet. The partners have 120 bilateral economic accords that would stay in place but erode over time when they are not updated. Research cooperation could also stop.

“I think the EU would weaken itself if it no longer cooperated with Switzerland on research,” Parmelin said.

“We are then forced to seek alternatives, perhaps along with Britain, if the EU remains dogmatic.”
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  # 2326651 29-Sep-2019 12:07
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SJB:

 

Not sure what you mean. I do know they have a lot of referendums, some on pretty mundane topics I imagine.

 

 

What I mean is you cited Switzerland as a positive example of a referendum system, but then say you have changed your mind about referendums because of social media influences. So does that mean that referendums are no longer working for Switzerland? That country is just as susceptible to social media influences as any other, so if the referendum system is still working well for them, that kind of suggests that the connection you are making is not correct.

 

 





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  # 2326658 29-Sep-2019 12:19
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I wasn't referring to them positively or negatively. Just as a country that I knew had a lot of referendums and I've no idea if they are working or not working for them. You would probably need to ask the Swiss themselves to find out (damn that means a referendum).

 

I was simply stating my opinion on social media, referendums and parliamentary terms.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2326700 29-Sep-2019 13:33
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OK, fair enough. It sounded to me like you were saying you were initially in favour of referendums because of the Swiss example. Actually, so am I, though I also agree with your social media comments. But if the Swiss are making it work in spite of social media, that might be worth taking a closer look at.

 

 





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BBC News - PM 'a model of restraint' amid Parliament language row

 

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Boris Johnson says he has been "a model of restraint" when it comes to language around the Brexit debate.

 

The PM was accused of dismissing abuse fears of female MPs as "humbug" during a heated Commons debate this week.

 

Mr Johnson said there had been a "misunderstanding" over his intention - which he apologised for.

 

But he claimed there was a "cloud of indignation" around the use of terms like "surrender" to distract from MPs' desire to frustrate Brexit. ...

 



 

 

First published on politico.eu, Belgium, August 24, 2019





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  # 2327411 1-Oct-2019 08:44
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BBC NEWS -  Brexit: Opposition parties 'will not yet push for confidence vote'

 

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Opposition parties will not call for a vote of no confidence in the government to topple the PM this week. ...

 

Mr Corbyn, Mr Blackford, Ms Lucas, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson, Plaid Cymru Westminster leader Liz Saville Roberts, and Independent Group for Change leader Anna Soubry met in the Labour leader's Westminster office.

 

The Labour leader said the parties were "absolutely clear we will do all we can within a Parliamentary scenario and within our own parties to prevent this country crashing out on the 31st October without a deal - that is what is our agreed position".

 

Mr Corbyn said there were "huge political differences" between the parties, "but we have come behind this point to stop a no-deal Brexit". ...

 

 

 

 

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  # 2327519 1-Oct-2019 10:35
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Cowards... They know they would lose the general election.




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  # 2327572 1-Oct-2019 11:54
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DS9: Cowards... They know they would lose the general election.

 

 

 

It's more than that; my understanding is that if a no-confidence vote succeeds then the process is that first, the Tories are invited to put forward another PM candidate who believes he or she can form a government. If that fails, then the largest opposition party (Labour) is invited, then a general call for an MP, and only then can the Queen dissolve parliament and call for an election. At that point Johnson, as the care-taker PM (since no other PM has been confirmed) can just move the election date to after October 31st and it's check mate.

 

In the interim of course the clock is ticking, and there is now less than a month for that process to play out, and everybody knows that it will be an uphill battle for anyone who wants to try their hand at forming a government to get all the agreements in place so as to have the majority with which to do so.

 

In other words, it's now basically too late for no-confidence to save them.





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  # 2327625 1-Oct-2019 12:16
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Boris really is following the Trump script. I believe that the stupidity that is unfolding in London will see the death of the UK and the Commonwealth.




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  # 2327735 1-Oct-2019 14:17
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DS9: Parliament wants to revoke article 50, or at very least to enact the Norway model which has always been the remainers 'compromise', that doesn't adhere to the in/out that was offered though.

Prior to the referendum Farage was promoting the Norway model. It's hard to figure out why Farage changed his mind on that after the referendum.

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BBC News - Brexit: Government to reveal detailed plan for EU negotiations

 

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The government has prepared the legal text of an updated Brexit deal, government sources have told the BBC.

 

It is expected to make more of the plans public in the next few days, a senior government figure says.

 

The government has suggested creating "customs clearance zones" in Northern Ireland and Irish Republic, as part of the proposals put to the EU.

 

Proposals for reaching a Brexit deal had been expected ahead of a crucial EU summit on 17 October.

 

The UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, and Prime Minister Boris Johnson says this will happen whether or not there is a new deal with Brussels. ...

 

[BUT]

 

... MPs have passed a law requiring Mr Johnson to seek an extension to the deadline from the bloc if he is unable to pass a deal in Parliament, or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit, by 19 October. ...

 

 

Promises, promises ...   😕





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Eventually Boris will ask for an extension but he has until the last minute do that, and may very well be planning to use the EU's inability to respond in a timely way against them. He may also be counting on a further extension being blocked by someone in the EU and then he gets to make them out to be the bad guy. He's not sunk yet. 


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GV27:

 

Eventually Boris will ask for an extension but he has until the last minute do that, and may very well be planning to use the EU's inability to respond in a timely way against them. He may also be counting on a further extension being blocked by someone in the EU and then he gets to make them out to be the bad guy. He's not sunk yet. 

 

 

Actually looks like he's already presenting a deal that he knows they'll reject, then he'll probably try to avoid jail by asking for a short extension that he hopes they'll grant on the basis that he was acting in good faith and will come back to the table, but he'll call a GE and campaign based on them being "unreasonable"  about his "great deal" thus justifying a no-deal position to take to the polls.

 

That would confirm that Boris' position is all about Boris being PM - that he believes his own delusional narcissistic vision of a future Great Britain united under the greatest leader they've ever had.


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