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  # 2333523 9-Oct-2019 19:00
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DS9:

 

No it hasn't since I've been contributing, but I can link to many 'liberal' sites that use it and remainers have said it to my face while in the UK.

 

 

Please provide a link.  I'll tell them they're wrong.


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  # 2333534 9-Oct-2019 20:19
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DS9: I'm becoming increasingly concerned with those that claim to be liberal, if a vote doesn't go their way, they believe we should keep voting until everyone gets it 'right'...

What's with the labels? Pretty sure Johnson is a liberal on most issues.


I'm liberal on many issues, yet Brexit (for which I voted for) is always regarded as a right wing policy. So until Brexit happens and the UK is free of the bureaucrats of EU, I'm clearly a RWNJ as I'm often called by 'liberals'.

I see, well that hasn't happened in this forum to my knowledge.


No it hasn't since I've been contributing, but I can link to many 'liberal' sites that use it and remainers have said it to my face while in the UK.


I'm sure that's true and I did not doubt it. Actually not a lot of what you were saying made my sense to me until I caught sky news last week with Farage"s speech at the end of his party conference saying almost exactly the same things.

Will you vote for Farage next time around?

Btw does he have two parties now UKIP Party and BREXIT Party? It's hard to keep up.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2333597 9-Oct-2019 23:31
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If and that's a big if I vote, I'll vote for the Conservative party, as I did in 2017. Every previous election I voted Labour and that's why I vote National here as its basically the British Labour Party (pre-Corbyn).

Though my voting preferences shouldn't be of any interest.




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  # 2335243 10-Oct-2019 21:53
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Things are getting ugly ...

 

The Times - Guy Verhofstadt calls Boris Johnson a traitor after Brexit deal offer rejected

 

October 10

 


Boris Johnson was branded a “real traitor” by a senior European Union negotiator yesterday ...

 

Guy Verhofstadt, a former Belgian leader and the European parliament’s negotiator, accused Mr Johnson of seeking scapegoats for a no-deal Brexit.

 

He slammed the PM for blaming everyone but himself in an extraordinary personal attack as negotiations teetered on the brink.

 

He said Boris was waging a "blame game" with Brexit and trying to point the finger at everyone but himself as to why a deal hadn't been done.

 

"The only one who must not be blamed is Mr Johnson himself, apparently!

 

"But all the rest are the source of all problems. That is what is happening today.

 

"All those who are not playing his game are traitors or collaborators, or surrenderers!

 

"In my opinion, the real traitor is he or she who will risk bringing disaster upon his country, economy and its citizens by pushing Britain out of the European Union.

 

"That is my opinion, a traitor."

 

A furious Mr Verhofstadt raged at Boris for putting forward a "virtual proposal" which wasn't serious at all. ...

 

 

watch (1 minute)





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  # 2335339 11-Oct-2019 07:53
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Wow, that was a powerful speech.

And winner, in a close match with Trump and Boris, of worst hair on a senior politician. At least it's not orange. :)



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  # 2335360 11-Oct-2019 08:51
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Things are getting ugly ...

 

The Times - Guy Verhofstadt calls Boris Johnson a traitor after Brexit deal offer rejected

 

October 10

 


Boris Johnson was branded a “real traitor” by a senior European Union negotiator yesterday ...

 

Guy Verhofstadt, a former Belgian leader and the European parliament’s negotiator, accused Mr Johnson of seeking scapegoats for a no-deal Brexit.

 

He slammed the PM for blaming everyone but himself in an extraordinary personal attack as negotiations teetered on the brink.

 

He said Boris was waging a "blame game" with Brexit and trying to point the finger at everyone but himself as to why a deal hadn't been done.

 

"The only one who must not be blamed is Mr Johnson himself, apparently!

 

"But all the rest are the source of all problems. That is what is happening today.

 

"All those who are not playing his game are traitors or collaborators, or surrenderers!

 

"In my opinion, the real traitor is he or she who will risk bringing disaster upon his country, economy and its citizens by pushing Britain out of the European Union.

 

"That is my opinion, a traitor."

 

A furious Mr Verhofstadt raged at Boris for putting forward a "virtual proposal" which wasn't serious at all. ...

 

 

watch (1 minute)

 

 

That's pretty out there for a diplomat supposedly negotiating a deal. If I were Johnson I would be making hay out of these comments, Juncker was also prone to outbursts like this. "How can I negotiate a deal with people who are coming out and making comments like this, it's not about a deal, it's about patch protection" etc. 

 

Brexit may be criminally stupid but sometimes the EU diplomats act like they're gods. 


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  # 2337152 15-Oct-2019 08:54
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BBC News - The Queen's Speech

 

today

 


Boris Johnson's government has set out "ambitious" policies on crime, health, the environment and Brexit in a Queen's Speech that opposition parties have dismissed as an "election manifesto". ...

 

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the speech was "a propaganda exercise", adding: "The prime minister promised that this Queen's Speech would dazzle us. On closer inspection, it is nothing more than fool's gold." 

 

He told MPs: "There has never been such a farce of a government with a majority of minus 45 and a 100% record of defeat in the House of Commons, setting out a legislative agenda they know cannot be delivered in this Parliament."

 

 

Analysis by Laura Kenssberg, Political Editor


That was a very long shopping list of things, but the unsaid reality, of course, is that the biggest question hanging over it all is Brexit.

 

The Queen may have said the government's priority is to leave on 31 October, but there's no way anyone in this square mile can be sure that happens. Whether it happens - and how it happens - is a much bigger influence than anything we've just heard being said.

 

In many ways, it's a Queen's Speech from a parallel universe - one in which Boris Johnson gets his way. Where he definitely gets his deal with Brussels by the end of this week, he definitely gets it through Parliament on Saturday and definitely gets all the Brexit legislation passed. It's also a world in which he definitely gets the general election he wants in the next few weeks and then definitely gets a Conservative majority.

 

We shouldn't dismiss this speech - it does mean something, but what it means is this is what we are likely to see as the basis for a Conservative manifesto whenever that election does come. 

 



EDIT   The Queen's Speech has been described as "a draft of the Tory Party manifesto with its most important page [Brexit] missing."

 





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  # 2338358 16-Oct-2019 18:31
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Boris' Brexit Bodge in 10 Jokes | United States of Europe

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Boris' Brexit Bodge in 10 Jokes | United States of Europe. Boris Johnson proves he is Britain's Best chance - of canceling Brexit entirely. Here are 10 reasons why - summed up by my favorite jokes from around the internet. With reporting from Shlibber the Second. And jokes my Martin Mor and NewsThump.


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  # 2338446 16-Oct-2019 21:34
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The Times - Boris Johnson hit by prospect of no Brexit until 2020

 

October 16 2019, 12:01am, 

 

EU warns deal may need two months to finalise

 


Boris Johnson is fighting attempts by the EU to delay Brexit until next year as negotiators worked through the night to secure a deal.

 

Brussels raised hopes of a breakthrough before the European summit tomorrow, with officials scrambling to prepare a draft treaty text.

 

A source said that talks made genuine progress last night with a small number of “not insignificant” issues outstanding issues.

 

A deal is, said the source, “feasible today but not in the bag” 

 

The European side is anxious about the pre-summit process of consulting European Commission and ambassadors.

 

However, the prospect of a deal came with a warning, echoed in Berlin and Paris, that the technical details might take until January 1 to finalise. ...

 





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  # 2338594 17-Oct-2019 08:38
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Boris Johnson is fighting attempts by the EU to delay Brexit until next year as negotiators worked through the night to secure a deal.

 

 

Change of plan apparently. It seems that if (likely) a deal can't be agreed by Saturday, then Boris will send a letter requesting an extension as he's legally compelled to do, according to his Brexit secretary.

 

Of course this may be simply what's referred to as "fake news", depending on which tabloid you read. Not fake in terms of being untruthfully reported,  but factual reporting of a politician's claim that they saw a unicorn.

 

I just about give up on trying to read informative news from the UK about what's going on with Brexit. I hope the British don't think their news media is a cut above the shambles in the US.

 

 


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  # 2339624 17-Oct-2019 10:19
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An interesting BBC article about the peoples feelings in the UK about Brexit.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50043549

 

Basically, whether you are remain or leave, you could find support in the polls quoted.


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  # 2339903 17-Oct-2019 18:32
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Heh:

 


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  # 2339907 17-Oct-2019 19:12
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There's one about the EU as well. It's like Hotel California - you can check in but you can never leave.


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BBC News - Brexit: DUP rejects deal as PM heads to EU summit

 

breaking

 


Boris Johnson has suffered a blow to his proposed Brexit deal as the Democratic Unionist Party said it cannot support plans "as things stand".

 

The support of the Northern Irish party is seen as crucial if the PM is to win Parliament's approval for the deal in time for his 31 October deadline.

 

The DUP said it would continue to work with the government to try to get a "sensible" deal.

 

It comes as Mr Johnson heads to a crunch summit to get the EU's approval.

 

The BBC's Europe editor Katya Adler said EU ambassadors had expected to get a copy of the legal text of a deal this morning, but it had not arrived.

 

One EU diplomat told her: "We are more and more pessimistic."  ...

 





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  # 2339961 17-Oct-2019 22:58
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Brexit deal has just been reached between Boris and Europeans. Still has to be approved by Parliament.

 

 





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