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  # 2285665 30-Jul-2019 12:56
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Scotland is governed by a new UK Prime Minister, elected by 160,000 Tory members, of which only 9,000 are based in Scotland, from a party that hasn’t won a major election in Scotland in 64 years, to deliver a Brexit that 62% of Scotland’s voters rejected.

 

What could possibly go wrong?


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  # 2285713 30-Jul-2019 13:15
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Scotland is governed by a new UK Prime Minister, elected by 160,000 Tory members, of which only 9,000 are based in Scotland, from a party that hasn’t won a major election in Scotland in 64 years, to deliver a Brexit that 62% of Scotland’s voters rejected.

 

What could possibly go wrong?

 

 





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  # 2285746 30-Jul-2019 14:05
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Fred99:

 

Scotland is governed by a new UK Prime Minister, elected by 160,000 Tory members, of which only 9,000 are based in Scotland, from a party that hasn’t won a major election in Scotland in 64 years, to deliver a Brexit that 62% of Scotland’s voters rejected.

 

What could possibly go wrong?

 

 

No marriage lasts forever. Brexit is the kick in the pants Scottish independents and Irish republicans have been waiting for.

 

Since only England voted for brexit it's quite conceivable that we'll eventually end up with united Ireland and Scotland both joining the EU with England and Wales left on their lonesome.


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  # 2285856 30-Jul-2019 17:00
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While a lot of people in England would only be too happy to see the back of both Northern Ireland and Scotland the prospect of them leaving the union raises some interesting questions.

 

Take Northern Ireland. It is pretty well split along religious lines with around 45% Protestant and 45% Catholic. I can't see the 45% of Protestants taking too kindly to merging with  the rest of Catholic Ireland. They still celebrate battles they won against the  Catholics 400 years ago. If there was unification there would be a great deal of civil unrest  probably much worse than the troubles of recent decades which largely ended with the Good Friday agreement. It's likely the government in Dublin knows this and in fact aren't that keen on unification regardless of what the Catholics in the north want.

 

Then there is Scotland. They would have a population of about the same as New Zealand although it's possible some would move to England rather than live in an independent Scotland. They would want to join the EU and would probably be accepted in a few years so that the EU could put one over on the rest of the UK. They would probably need to join the Euro as I doubt a Scottish currency would prove very popular in financial circles so they  would lose  a lot of control  over their own economy as a result.

 

They would  also end up as a one party state as the SNP have a pretty big majority over the other major parties. Independence would also give them a boost so Labour and the Conservatives would be wiped out. Not a healthy situation for any democracy.

 

 


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  # 2285865 30-Jul-2019 17:18
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While a lot of people in England would only be too happy to see the back of both Northern Ireland and Scotland the prospect of them leaving the union raises some interesting questions.

 

Take Northern Ireland. It is pretty well split along religious lines with around 45% Protestant and 45% Catholic. I can't see the 45% of Protestants taking too kindly to merging with  the rest of Catholic Ireland. They still celebrate battles they won against the  Catholics 400 years ago. If there was unification there would be a great deal of civil unrest  probably much worse than the troubles of recent decades which largely ended with the Good Friday agreement. It's likely the government in Dublin knows this and in fact aren't that keen on unification regardless of what the Catholics in the north want.

 

 

nah, those protestants already in the republic of ireland seem to do well enough so no protestants need to tremble at the thought of living in a re-united ireland.

 

I doubt any new protestants will face the discrimination the catholics endured in the north in the bad old days.

 

The higher birth rate of the catholics in ulster means they're going to dominate politics (and everything else) going forward anyway.

 

Ireland's government has to feign (fein?!) indifference though doesn't it, not wanting to be seen to stir the pot.

 

 

Then there is Scotland. They would have a population of about the same as New Zealand although it's possible some would move to England rather than live in an independent Scotland. They would want to join the EU and would probably be accepted in a few years so that the EU could put one over on the rest of the UK. They would probably need to join the Euro as I doubt a Scottish currency would prove very popular in financial circles so they  would lose  a lot of control  over their own economy as a result.

 

They would  also end up as a one party state as the SNP have a pretty big majority over the other major parties. Independence would also give them a boost so Labour and the Conservatives would be wiped out. Not a healthy situation for any democracy.

 

 

So, you think the scots won't take a hit in exchange for sovereignty when their neighbours are doing the very same thing?

 

There's more to the Eu accepting any fuure scot nation than just to rub english noses in muck , let's not forget there's a strong historical relationship between scotland and france. The EU wants all europe to work together for security and prosperity. if the english dont consider themselves european then meh, off they go.


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  # 2285959 30-Jul-2019 19:07
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The EU wants all europe to work together for security and prosperity.

 

 

How's the prosperity bit working out for Greece?


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  # 2285963 30-Jul-2019 19:26
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elpenguino:

 

The EU wants all europe to work together for security and prosperity.

 

 

How's the prosperity bit working out for Greece?

 

 

In 12 months the english will be wishing they were as well off as the greeks. Look what Boris has done to the exchange rate !

 

 

I expect things will pick up once 'they send em all home'.

 

I'm not sure what the correct emoticon is for that.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2286031 30-Jul-2019 20:35
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SJB: Take Northern Ireland. It is pretty well split along religious lines with around 45% Protestant and 45% Catholic. I can't see the 45% of Protestants taking too kindly to merging with  the rest of Catholic Ireland. They still celebrate battles they won against the  Catholics 400 years ago.

On the plus side they do already have peace agreements both sides are committed to. Imo they would not hold out long against lower prices and EU jobs if Johnson is silly enough to cause a hard border situation.

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  # 2286038 30-Jul-2019 20:45
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On the plus side they do already have peace agreements both sides are committed to. Imo they would not hold out long against lower prices and EU jobs if Johnson is silly enough to cause a hard border situation.

 

It's the fanatics that are the problem on both sides. If reunification was raised as a possibility the paramilitaries would be back on the streets and NI would be back to the troubles. And reunification wouldn't happen overnight, more likely over a number of years.


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  # 2286039 30-Jul-2019 20:47
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elpenguino:

 

In 12 months the english will be wishing they were as well off as the greeks. Look what Boris has done to the exchange rate !

 

 

I expect things will pick up once 'they send em all home'.

 

I'm not sure what the correct emoticon is for that.

 

 

 

 

I think you mean British not English. You really have it in for them don't you.


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  # 2286126 30-Jul-2019 23:19
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SJB:

 

elpenguino:

 

In 12 months the english will be wishing they were as well off as the greeks. Look what Boris has done to the exchange rate !

 

 

I expect things will pick up once 'they send em all home'.

 

I'm not sure what the correct emoticon is for that.

 

 

 

 

I think you mean British not English. You really have it in for them don't you.

 

 

No i mean the english. The scots will be on their way to independence after oct 31, there's nothing to hold them back.

 

I dont really have it in for them, it's more a slow motion train wreck thing. Who would look away?

 

Put it this way, I have kids. When my kids were little we went to the beach. I told my kids not to eat sand. They ate sand anyway and I always remember the look on their faces.

 

 


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  # 2286160 31-Jul-2019 07:35
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No i mean the english. The scots will be on their way to independence after oct 31, there's nothing to hold them back.

 

 

That still leaves out the Welsh.


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  # 2286266 31-Jul-2019 10:27
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I agree with the slow motion train wreck analogy.

 

IMO blame on both sides though. Theresa May was the wrong person to implement Brexit as she never really believed in it and she was backed up by a remain Chancellor and a remain parliament. How is that ever going to deliver the result of the referendum.

 

And the EU wanted, understandably maybe, to make the exit as difficult as possible even if it ended up being detrimental to them as well. If the trade negotiations had been started n parallel with the divorce agreement maybe they wouldn't both be in the mess they are.


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  # 2286270 31-Jul-2019 10:33
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SJB:

 

 

 

They would  also end up as a one party state as the SNP have a pretty big majority over the other major parties. Independence would also give them a boost so Labour and the Conservatives would be wiped out. Not a healthy situation for any democracy.

 

 

 

 

Ummmm... what the ....?

 

Of course the UK Labour Party and the UK Conservative Party would be "wiped out" if Scotland was to leave the UK.

 

Suggesting that this would result in an unopposed "one party state" is however - delusional.


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  # 2286362 31-Jul-2019 11:59
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Great Britain = England, Wales, Scotland. Without Scotland Britain would just be England and Wales.

 

UK = Great Britain + Northern Ireland. 

 

 





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