Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | ... | 38
367 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #2286369 31-Jul-2019 12:15
5 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

elpenguino:

 

No marriage lasts forever. Brexit is the kick in the pants Scottish independents and Irish republicans have been waiting for.

 

Since only England voted for brexit it's quite conceivable that we'll eventually end up with united Ireland and Scotland both joining the EU with England and Wales left on their lonesome.

 

 

 

 

One major hurdle for that is that in order to join the EU, a new member will need unanimous support from all current member states. I think Spain has already stated they are opposed to any breakaway state joining the EU. They essentially want to prevent a possible independent Catalonia from being able to leave Spain and join the EU. I think a couple of other member states are in a similar position.


SJB

1485 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2286395 31-Jul-2019 12:54
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

Ummmm... what the ....?

 

Of course the UK Labour Party and the UK Conservative Party would be "wiped out" if Scotland was to leave the UK.

 

Suggesting that this would result in an unopposed "one party state" is however - delusional.

 

 

Who could realistically oppose anything the SNP wanted to do then?


 
 
 
 


Lock him up!
11394 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2286435 31-Jul-2019 13:07
2 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

What keeps the SNP together is Scottish opposition to the other parties. Once they are gone, the Scots will oppose each other and the merry dance will start again.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


9249 posts

Uber Geek


  #2287219 1-Aug-2019 15:21
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Boris on Brexit, Boris on Trump.

 

 


SJB

1485 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2287485 2-Aug-2019 09:43
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

Scotland is governed by a new UK Prime Minister, elected by 160,000 Tory members, of which only 9,000 are based in Scotland, from a party that hasn’t won a major election in Scotland in 64 years, to deliver a Brexit that 62% of Scotland’s voters rejected.

 

 

Looking back Gordon Brown replaced Tony Blair as Labour leader and Prime Minister with no election whatsoever. He received enough nominations to walk straight into the job. So virtually nobody in the UK got a say.

 

Both John Major and Theresa May became Prime Minister without a General Election.

 

And it's the same here. If JA decided to resign immediately after winning the next election the majority would have no say in who became Prime Minister.

 

 

 

 


Lock him up!
11394 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2287538 2-Aug-2019 10:06
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

In America the vote of one person can determine who is president. Or am I mistaken? I seem to recall Al Gore and the hanging chads in Florida. The vote of  one Supreme Court justice can determine the law. There are lots of examples of simple majority travesties. I don't know a good solution. Do you?

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


SJB

1485 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2287602 2-Aug-2019 11:27
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

I used to think that a change of Prime Minister or President should trigger a national election as we are in the era of personality politics but I'm not so sure now. It could make an unstable situation even worse.

 

And I've no idea how to solve the one vote conundrum. 


 
 
 
 


9249 posts

Uber Geek


  #2287668 2-Aug-2019 13:34
2 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

SJB:

 

I used to think that a change of Prime Minister or President should trigger a national election as we are in the era of personality politics but I'm not so sure now. It could make an unstable situation even worse.

 

And I've no idea how to solve the one vote conundrum. 

 

 

The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.


SJB

1485 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2287675 2-Aug-2019 13:47
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.

 

 

You might be right there. The one thing PR can do is force compromises and in an age of such divided opinions that's no bad thing.


4181 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2287788 2-Aug-2019 16:40
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

SJB:

Fred99:


The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.



You might be right there. The one thing PR can do is force compromises and in an age of such divided opinions that's no bad thing.



You mean like our MMP, where one person decided who the Prime Minister was going to be (on more than one occasion)?




Areas of Geek interest: Home Theatre, HTPC, Android Tablets & Phones, iProducts.

1049 posts

Uber Geek


  #2287796 2-Aug-2019 17:05
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Dingbatt:
SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.

 

 

You might be right there. The one thing PR can do is force compromises and in an age of such divided opinions that's no bad thing.

 



You mean like our MMP, where one person decided who the Prime Minister was going to be (on more than one occasion)?

 

Were you there at the negotiations? 

 

Were you there at the NZ first internal discussions?

 

Please tell us how you know it was one person?

 

I presume you mean Winston Peters, leader of NZ first.

 

Do you think a political party might need some kind of consensus to keep gelled together?

 

Back on topic.

 

It doesn't really matter which leader the UK has, they're going to crash out of the EU, come hell or climate-change-induced-inundation.

 

Any leader is hostage to the referendum, russian interference or no.


9249 posts

Uber Geek


  #2287797 2-Aug-2019 17:08
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

Dingbatt:
SJB:

 

Fred99:

 

 

 

The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You might be right there. The one thing PR can do is force compromises and in an age of such divided opinions that's no bad thing.

 



You mean like our MMP, where one person decided who the Prime Minister was going to be (on more than one occasion)?

 

He decided which of the larger parties he'd support in coalition to form a majority, not who the party leader would be. So not quite the same.

 

A foible of PR, but it's hard to say whether it's a bug or a feature. 


5617 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #2289433 4-Aug-2019 09:27
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

 

First published on POLITICO.eu, Belgium, August 3, 2019 | By Rytis Daukantas





Sideface


367 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #2290027 5-Aug-2019 09:14
2 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

SJB:

 

I used to think that a change of Prime Minister or President should trigger a national election as we are in the era of personality politics but I'm not so sure now. It could make an unstable situation even worse.

 

And I've no idea how to solve the one vote conundrum. 

 

 

 

 

I think under the current NZ Labour Party rules, if the leader were to be replaced it would trigger a contest similar to what we just saw in the UK. Labour party members would vote for the new leader, except under specific circumstances a few weeks out from a general election being the main one. There is a weighting with I think Caucus vote counting for 40%, General membership 40% and affiliated unions 20%.  Not quite the same as a general election but certainly covering a fairly large section of the country. Compared with National and most other parties where the leader is chosen solely by caucus vote.


4181 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #2290846 6-Aug-2019 11:52
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

elpenguino:

Dingbatt:
SJB:


Fred99:


The UK would have probably avoided the worst of their present dilemma if they had PR rather than FPP.



You might be right there. The one thing PR can do is force compromises and in an age of such divided opinions that's no bad thing.




You mean like our MMP, where one person decided who the Prime Minister was going to be (on more than one occasion)?


Were you there at the negotiations? 


Were you there at the NZ first internal discussions?


Please tell us how you know it was one person?


I presume you mean Winston Peters, leader of NZ first.


Do you think a political party might need some kind of consensus to keep gelled together?


Back on topic.


It doesn't really matter which leader the UK has, they're going to crash out of the EU, come hell or climate-change-induced-inundation.


Any leader is hostage to the referendum, russian interference or no.



You weren’t in the room when I formulated my post, I mentioned no names, yet you immediately thought of the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Nuff said.




Areas of Geek interest: Home Theatre, HTPC, Android Tablets & Phones, iProducts.

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | ... | 38
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Withings launches three new devices to help monitor heart health from home
Posted 13-Feb-2020 20:05


Auckland start-up Yourcar matches new car buyers with dealerships
Posted 13-Feb-2020 18:05


School gardens go high tech to teach kids the importance of technology
Posted 13-Feb-2020 11:10


Malwarebytes finds Mac threats outpace Windows for the first time
Posted 13-Feb-2020 08:01


Amazon launches Echo Show 8 in Australia and New Zealand
Posted 8-Feb-2020 20:36


Vodafone New Zealand starts two year partnership with LetsPlay.Live
Posted 28-Jan-2020 11:24


Ring launches indoor-only security camera
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:26


New report findings will help schools implement the digital technologies curriculum content
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:25


N4L to upgrade & support wireless internet inside schools
Posted 23-Jan-2020 17:22


Netflix releases 21 Studio Ghibli works
Posted 22-Jan-2020 11:42


Vodafone integrates eSIM into device and wearable roadmap
Posted 17-Jan-2020 09:45


Do you need this camera app? Group investigates privacy implications
Posted 16-Jan-2020 03:30


JBL launches headphones range designed for gaming
Posted 13-Jan-2020 09:59


Withings introduces ScanWatch wearable combining ECG and sleep apnea detection
Posted 9-Jan-2020 18:34


NZ Police releases public app
Posted 8-Jan-2020 11:43



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.