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  # 2362291 28-Nov-2019 12:57
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I'm comparing the responses of those triggered by it. And comments about sailing while leaving them tied to the masts, and other vengeance-based remarks. The purpose of protest is to focus attention on the thing being protested. I would say they accomplished that nicely, and it doesn't matter how their van was fueled.

 

 

 

 

I dont agree with the earlier comments that were pretty harsh. These people accomplished nothing as its gone from the news quicksmart, you had to go to a Southern newspaper yesterday, its now gone. The diesel dos matter, are they green or not? They whinge about flying to climate change meetings and they do the same. Should have preached what they say and taken a train. There are ways to protest and try to make change, endangering people in a pure activist manner is not the way to go. This is why the Green Party is not popular as the great work down my many in that party is overruled by activism

 

 

I think the only folk they were really endangering were themselves. I am not sure how fastening oneself to bits of a ship at anchor is placing others at risk unless the crew decided to set sail with them still there.

 

 

It's my understanding they had to build scaffolding around the mast to cut off the restraint. That endangers the people having to do that, One would at least hope they had to pay for the time and effort for that to take place.





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  # 2362295 28-Nov-2019 13:04
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I think the only folk they were really endangering were themselves. I am not sure how fastening oneself to bits of a ship at anchor is placing others at risk unless the crew decided to set sail with them still there.

 

 

Tools had to be used to cut railings and other metal. There was at least one case of resisting arrest. Not ideal if cut metal is there. The ones on the mast, if they had to be cut free and/or manhandled down at height that's unsafe.

 

Its 2019. There are better ways, IMHO


 
 
 
 


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It's my understanding they had to build scaffolding around the mast to cut off the restraint. That endangers the people having to do that, One would at least hope they had to pay for the time and effort for that to take place.

 

 

OK that is not cool and going too far. It would also be fair to send a bill to cover costs as people are free to protest but that does not mean free from cost.





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  # 2362709 29-Nov-2019 10:36
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Just scuttle the boat 


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  # 2362937 29-Nov-2019 14:37
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Just scuttle the boat 


Where are you going with that comment exactly?

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Just scuttle the boat 

 


Where are you going with that comment exactly?

 

About 9 fathoms I'd say


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So they moved as planned to New Plymouth.

 

They just dont get it

 

In an emailed statement, Greenpeace climate and energy campaigner Amanda Larsson said the installation was a "parting gift to OMV to let them know their industry belongs in history".

 

"They've known about climate change for 30 years and had ample opportunity to transition, and they haven't," the statement said. 

 

They take a legal gas supply business to task when its not them who need to transition, its the Governments of the globe that need to

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2368699 5-Dec-2019 11:14
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gzt:
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Just scuttle the boat 

 


Where are you going with that comment exactly?

 

Seems no less practical than some of the other solutions suggested here. 


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  # 2368723 5-Dec-2019 12:16
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So they moved as planned to New Plymouth.

 

They just dont get it

 

In an emailed statement, Greenpeace climate and energy campaigner Amanda Larsson said the installation was a "parting gift to OMV to let them know their industry belongs in history".

 

"They've known about climate change for 30 years and had ample opportunity to transition, and they haven't," the statement said. 

 

They take a legal gas supply business to task when its not them who need to transition, its the Governments of the globe that need to

 

 

 

 

Although it uses OMV as the centre of protest it highlights that the continued dragging of the chain by all concerned is a very dangerous pastime.





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  # 2368728 5-Dec-2019 12:26
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MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

So they moved as planned to New Plymouth.

 

They just dont get it

 

In an emailed statement, Greenpeace climate and energy campaigner Amanda Larsson said the installation was a "parting gift to OMV to let them know their industry belongs in history".

 

"They've known about climate change for 30 years and had ample opportunity to transition, and they haven't," the statement said. 

 

They take a legal gas supply business to task when its not them who need to transition, its the Governments of the globe that need to

 

 

 

 

Although it uses OMV as the centre of protest it highlights that the continued dragging of the chain by all concerned is a very dangerous pastime.

 

 

I agree, but they should chain themselves to Parliament if they wish to chain themselves anywhere. Or they could grow up and have a concerted campaign involving maturity and facts, and push for changes to Government. But the sad reality is, where the buck stops, traction is low. Governments need to do more than speeches


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  # 2368731 5-Dec-2019 12:30
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I agree, but they should chain themselves to Parliament if they wish to chain themselves anywhere. Or they could grow up and have a concerted campaign involving maturity and facts, and push for changes to Government. But the sad reality is, where the buck stops, traction is low. Governments need to do more than speeches

 

 

But when the government does take positive action the wailing can be heard clear across the globe. For example when the now government took the step of stopping any new oil exploration licenses.





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  # 2368736 5-Dec-2019 12:40
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What is the purpose of these demonstrations? To get publicity for their cause and provoke howls of outrage on social media by the triggered (more publicity). I would say they are succeeding nicely.

 

 





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  # 2368739 5-Dec-2019 12:53
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MikeB4:

 

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I agree, but they should chain themselves to Parliament if they wish to chain themselves anywhere. Or they could grow up and have a concerted campaign involving maturity and facts, and push for changes to Government. But the sad reality is, where the buck stops, traction is low. Governments need to do more than speeches

 

 

But when the government does take positive action the wailing can be heard clear across the globe. For example when the now government took the step of stopping any new oil exploration licenses.

 

 

I never heard that global wailing. I heard some from NZ as Opposition supporters, as they would do

 

But this Govt has made a change, so why have these idiots gone after a company that is within that change?

 

No credibility and no effect


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  # 2368741 5-Dec-2019 13:01
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tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

I agree, but they should chain themselves to Parliament if they wish to chain themselves anywhere. Or they could grow up and have a concerted campaign involving maturity and facts, and push for changes to Government. But the sad reality is, where the buck stops, traction is low. Governments need to do more than speeches

 

 

But when the government does take positive action the wailing can be heard clear across the globe. For example when the now government took the step of stopping any new oil exploration licenses.

 

 

I never heard that global wailing. I heard some from NZ as Opposition supporters, as they would do

 

But this Govt has made a change, so why have these idiots gone after a company that is within that change?

 

No credibility and no effect

 

 

 

 

I was not being literal about the wailing. One change is not enough to save the planet. OMV is a multi national with some very shady history, I believe they were a legitimate target for protest





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  # 2368746 5-Dec-2019 13:08
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I was not being literal about the wailing. One change is not enough to save the planet. OMV is a multi national with some very shady history, I believe they were a legitimate target for protest

 

 

Does OMV search outside the existing permits? No. To call them dodgy, then use that to make them a target for violence isnt a fair view. You can find something about anyone and go after them. Including all of our political parties

 

OMV are a legitimate company engaging in legitimate exploration, and they are not lawmakers. You need to go after the lawmakers


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