Someone posted a reply and deleted it immediately. Nothing we can do about this kind of behaviour.

freitasm:

 

Someone posted a reply and deleted it immediately. Nothing we can do about this kind of behaviour.

 

OK, Understood, but it has happened at least two possibly three times which is most unusual.

I did that. I think it was a different thread, though. I replied to something too hastily, then realised I had misread what I was replying to and my response was inappropriate. So I deleted it. I also find that others (or the mods) regularly do this. If a post is no longer there, the link goes elsewhere.

Technofreak:

 

freitasm:

 

Someone posted a reply and deleted it immediately. Nothing we can do about this kind of behaviour.

 

 

OK, Understood, but it has happened at least two possibly three times which is most unusual.

 

Also an off-topic post was removed.

From this reply:

@frednz:

 

I thought that taking potshots at political parties was supposed to be confined to the Politics forum? Never mind, there are two major crises going at the moment, control over the virus and control over the economy. The National Party has actually said this:

 

After the Twitter episode where someone associated with the National Party started an unsubstantiated rumour about suicide in New Zealand going up during lockdown ("a cop told me") - and the person having a "MNZGA" tag on her bio, when I see a National Party URL that has "get New Zealand working again" I can't shake the feeling the party is moving towards a more right position than before and even echoing Trump's "MAGA".

freitasm:

 

From this reply:

 

@frednz:

 

I thought that taking potshots at political parties was supposed to be confined to the Politics forum? Never mind, there are two major crises going at the moment, control over the virus and control over the economy. The National Party has actually said this:

 

 

After the Twitter episode where someone associated with the National Party started an unsubstantiated rumour about suicide in New Zealand going up during lockdown ("a cop told me") - and the person having a "MNZGA" tag on her bio, when I see a National Party URL that has "get New Zealand working again" I can't shake the feeling the party is moving towards a more right position than before and even echoing Trump's "MAGA".

 

 

 

Which doesn't really reply to the points made there.

There is going to be inevitible lines drawn for the forseeable future anytime someone puts a verb before "again", however, I don't care what the slogan is, if the intent and execution is good.

networkn:

 

freitasm:

 

From this reply:

 

After the Twitter episode where someone associated with the National Party started an unsubstantiated rumour about suicide in New Zealand going up during lockdown ("a cop told me") - and the person having a "MNZGA" tag on her bio, when I see a National Party URL that has "get New Zealand working again" I can't shake the feeling the party is moving towards a more right position than before and even echoing Trump's "MAGA".

 

 

Which doesn't really reply to the points made there.

 

There is going to be inevitible lines drawn for the forseeable future anytime someone puts a verb before "again", however, I don't care what the slogan is, if the intent and execution is good.

 

It's not replying to the point. It's a different sub-discussion - the National Party is more and more moving to the right and adopting language similar to what Trump used. This is the kind of politics and division we don't need in New Zealand.

freitasm:

 

It's not replying to the point. It's a different sub-discussion - the National Party is more and more moving to the right and adopting language similar to what Trump used. This is the kind of politics and division we don't need in New Zealand.

 

What policies do you see them adopting which are more right of center than what is there already? Pushing for business to get back to work, and getting money moving through the economy has pretty much been consistent with National Party Policy forever.

I don't really love the choice of wording of some of the "slogans", but the distaste is limited to the association with similar phrases used by Trump. A Slogan is just words. Intent and action is how things should be measured.

networkn:

 

freitasm:

 

It's not replying to the point. It's a different sub-discussion - the National Party is more and more moving to the right and adopting language similar to what Trump used. This is the kind of politics and division we don't need in New Zealand.

 

 

What policies do you see them adopting which are more right of center than what is there already? Pushing for business to get back to work, and getting money moving through the economy has pretty much been consistent with National Party Policy forever.

 

I don't really love the choice of wording of some of the "slogans", but the distaste is limited to the association with similar phrases used by Trump. A Slogan is just words. Intent and action is how things should be measured.

 

I think words matter. It may start as just a few bad choice of words but if it gets ingrained it becomes their mantra. It's something that it should be repudiated as early as possible.

It is a way of thinking. Once you start pandering to the worst instincts of people, it becomes normalised and escalates. 

If the 'get NZ working again' is a reference to this: https://www.national.org.nz/national_would_get_new_zealand_working_again then for the life of me I cannot see any connection to the MAGA agenda from Trump. GNZWA may use similar words, but there is a significant difference between 'Great' and 'Working', especially when GNZWA is in reference to the economic fallout from the COVID-19 pandemic in NZ.

I am not a National supporter, but from a neutral and rational point of view I would question National's competence if they failed to produce an alternative way forward then the current Government.

I'd be more worried about the Government repeatedly telling NZ that there are plenty of Flu Vaccines when this isn't true, saying there was enough PPE when there wasn't, and promising they would provide a financial package for GP's to help them with the additional costs related to C19, to then renege on it, leaving GP practices out of pocket.

networkn:

 

I'd be more worried about the Government repeatedly telling NZ that there are plenty of Flu Vaccines when this isn't true, saying there was enough PPE when there wasn't, and promising they would provide a financial package for GP's to help them with the additional costs related to C19, to then renege on it, leaving GP practices out of pocket.

 

It's time highly paid people like GPs, lawyers, and the like stopped whining for government help and/or taking the wage subsidy. On any objective scale, there are people way needier than them. 

I can't speak to the third point but are you suggesting the first two were intentional lying, or administrative incompetence, or maybe just miscommunication?