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#2520738 10-Jul-2020 13:23

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I joking said on twitter early this week "Tomorrows headline: Simon announces cabinet reshuffle" , who knew that by Friday it was getting close to reality.

Whats next, Act will not contest some seats so National can get into Parliament ?

This "leak" is turning into a very very bad time for National, everyone involved should have known better.

I am starting to wonder if these upheavals are symptoms of a far deeper and endemic problems in the National party. I would like to see them well and truly sort their crap out before they ever get near the treasury benches again.

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#2520745 10-Jul-2020 13:30

Woodhouse has to be the next to go. He says he didn't act on the emails when he realised what was in them, but why did he just sit on them without informing Todd or anyone else when he knew that it was inappropriate for them to have been sent out at all? And even if he didn't look at or act on the details, the fact that he even knew about them could certainly have influenced his statements in Parliament.

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#2520759 10-Jul-2020 13:42

MikeB4:

I am starting to wonder if these upheavals are symptoms of a far deeper and endemic problems in the National party. I would like to see them well and truly sort their crap out before they ever get near the treasury benches again.

It is rich how some, especially Woodhouse, have been hammering the government for incompetence, sloppiness, and lack of oversight.

I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney

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#2520762 10-Jul-2020 13:49

Rikkitic:

It is rich how some, especially Woodhouse, have been hammering the government for incompetence, sloppiness, and lack of oversight.

yep crap often comes back at you especially in politics and eating takeaways.

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#2520821 10-Jul-2020 15:28

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MikeAqua:

There should be a very good turnout of greens voters this year, they finally have the reeferendum they've been waiting for so long.

I see you are continuing your downward spiral by parroting this false narrative. The Greens are about social justice, but go ahead and make it about drugs along with all the other reactionary types who fear change.

Have you tried turning on your humour detection circuit? It was too good as pun to resist. Here is another: ACT is having a deatherendum. Not quite as subtle as reefererendum, but now that I'm mocking the right, presumably I'll spiral upward in your estimation.

In all seriousness I didn't say cannabis reform is all the Greens are about, I'm aware they have other policies. However, this referendum is part of the Greens C&S agreement with Labour. It's indisputably their thing. And it's politically very clever if it improves turnout of their supporters. Likewise ACT may do very well out of the other referendum.

For the record I don't 'fear' legalisation of cannabis. I may even vote for it. As a parent with 4 kids and having lost friends to mental illnesses due in part to cannabis use, I'm still undecided.

Personally, I'll not partake as my workplace is (justifiably) subject to testing. I see it as a step backward from a Smokefree perspective. It's inconsistent with tobacco regulation to set up commercial premises for smoking pot, as the indicative bill (yes, I read it) proposes. Smoking tobacco is prohibited in virtually all workplaces including bars and cigar shops, why should pot be any different?

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#2520822 10-Jul-2020 15:31

@MikeAqua I see what you did there. The pun attempt would seem to have gone to pot.

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#2520823 10-Jul-2020 15:32

Rikkitic:

It is rich how some, especially Woodhouse, have been hammering the government for incompetence, sloppiness, and lack of oversight.

He is still correct about all that, despite his recent poor conduct.

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#2520825 10-Jul-2020 15:33

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Boag gone. Walker gone. Yang gone. This is shaping up to be quite a week.

It's really quite surprising that this hasn't happened earlier. While he wasn't at all likable Bridges seems to have done a good job holding the troops together. Normally first term oppositions are a disaster, this has just taken a while.

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#2520866 10-Jul-2020 17:08

MikeAqua: Smoking tobacco is prohibited in virtually all workplaces including bars and cigar shops, why should pot be any different?

The smoke-free environment act defines:

to smoke—

(a)means to smoke, hold, or otherwise have control over an ignited tobacco product, weed, or plant; and

(b)includes to smoke, hold, or otherwise have control over an ignited product or thing whose customary use is or includes the inhalation from it of the smoke produced from its combustion or the combustion of any part of it; but

An exception is very unlikely for "pot".

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#2520883 10-Jul-2020 17:47

MikeAqua:

Have you tried turning on your humour detection circuit?

MikeB4's pun is better. If I overreacted, it is because of all the reefer madness BS I have been seeing lately from the wowser brigade.

No kid has had his life ruined by being arrested for tobacco possession. It is not illegal to grow your own tobacco. Cannabis can be enjoyed in a variety of ways that don't involve smoking. Comparing it to tobacco is being a bit facile.

For the record, I do intend to vote in favour of legalisation but I do not happen to believe it is harmless, especially some of the modern stuff. I do believe that the harm of keeping it illegal is greater than the harm of allowing it with controls in place.

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#2520896 10-Jul-2020 18:30

Handle9:
GV27:

Boag gone. Walker gone. Yang gone. This is shaping up to be quite a week.

It's really quite surprising that this hasn't happened earlier. While he wasn't at all likable Bridges seems to have done a good job holding the troops together. Normally first term oppositions are a disaster, this has just taken a while.

I bet if you took a poll today Bridges would out-poll Muller.

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#2520897 10-Jul-2020 18:33

Rikkitic:

For the record, I do intend to vote in favour of legalisation but I do not happen to believe it is harmless, especially some of the modern stuff. I do believe that the harm of keeping it illegal is greater than the harm of allowing it with controls in place.

This is my view too - legal is least bad but the form it takes is the key, really. I'm also not super optimistic the gangs will disappear like people think they will either. They're commercial organisations - they'll adapt.

But I don't think we need to be ruining any more lives with criminal convictions for this sort of thing.

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#2520899 10-Jul-2020 18:36

MikeAqua:

Rikkitic:

It is rich how some, especially Woodhouse, have been hammering the government for incompetence, sloppiness, and lack of oversight.

He is still correct about all that, despite his recent poor conduct.

If its fair to foresee non criminals, that freely flout the very clear rules and have no regard for NZ virus security, then yes you are correct. Despite all that, where are we? Probably the safest nation in the world. If regular people behaved as I think we all expected (yes, we accept bad apples exist) then we are even better. The other option was after 2 weeks this level 4 is too much, open up NZ. Plus the travel bubbles would have been up weeks and weeks and weeks ago.

Check Victoria

Its beyond politics, its about health and safety. What does NZ have? Health and safety.

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#2520904 10-Jul-2020 18:48

GV27:

I bet if you took a poll today Bridges would out-poll Muller.

I agree. He wasn't a prat, he had his thing. But what Muller has done has ruined National. Im a swing voter, I have voted National more than others and I have my reasons for not voting for them last time. For those that don't vote by lifelong habit, leadership and people matter. Muller, Woodhouse and Goldsmith are poor, very poor. Labour was no better, but they emerged, and like National have dumped some swamp. Labour now looks solid. Adern, Robertson, Hipkins etc are solid. National needs to rebuild. People are way over criticism for criticism's sake. Muller is the same. Bashes away, no detail, but ill give him that he did stay he has no answer. Whatever your poison, people don't like bitching

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#2520913 10-Jul-2020 19:04

GV27:

I bet if you took a poll today Bridges would out-poll Muller.

Bridges was horrible on many levels. Muller is politically naive. A stuffed teddy bear would poll higher than Bridges and would be a better leader.

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