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#2531586 30-Jul-2020 18:41

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Interesting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300069315/national-and-nz-first-promise-to-charge-more-returning-kiwis-after-election

NZ First keeps bagging the Govt, thats all good. This is the latest. Now, from the negotiator in me, they can bag the Govt so they can align with National. Its about the end result. But if national is well on the downer, why bag the Govt? if NZF wants in, they can be aggressive, but its like they dont want to be in Govt? Its very possible that it won't be a Kingmaker election. So why bag them? If it was heading towards a very close Labour-National election, then bagging them is good as both will be well up for a NZF coalition.

I dont quite get it. Its unlikely that everyone will flock to NZF

It's purely about differentiating from Labour and trying to get to 5%. This isn't about policy, it's about political theatre and trying to get enough grumpy reactionaries to vote NZ First. It doesn't look like it's working though.

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#2531587 30-Jul-2020 18:42

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Would like to know more about these phantom taxes please @Wander4821.

Re CB poll tonight I'm also expecting a slightly better result for National, but not by much. I think at least 30% of this country wold vote blue no matter who - there are a number of electorates where you could stick a blue ribbon on a sack of potatoes and it would be elected. So rightly or wrongly I think their baseline of support is around that 30% number.

The Greens have not been polling all that well given their performance in government. Suspect a lot of it is sitting with Labour given support for Jacinda Ardern. I anticipate (hope) a number of left voters may well switch thier vote Green, as it supports a Labour-led government, and as @GV27 said neutralises the Winston threat.

Act will continue to poll well (for them) and I thnk NZF will continue to poll poorly, as will the other parties.

Pretty much on the money, except for the Green vote. It looks like Labour is sucking their moderate base into the centre.

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#2531590 30-Jul-2020 18:46

Wander4821: Now you accuse me of flaming for essentially responding to folks calling me effectively a liar, for what I've seen in my own bank account. Though the goal was pretty much to get me to respond, so you'd get an ego trip getting me banned or whatever. Alternatively, push off the forum folks that don't agree with you politically or whatever. Don't need to bother, I'll go and leave you to it. Signing off. Do your victory dance or whatever this is.

Sigh. I was the person that said your tax claims were nonsense. If you want to get offended at me so be it.

GV27 didn't call you out in the same way and then you started on him.

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#2531615 30-Jul-2020 19:21

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tdgeek:

Interesting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300069315/national-and-nz-first-promise-to-charge-more-returning-kiwis-after-election

NZ First keeps bagging the Govt, thats all good. This is the latest. Now, from the negotiator in me, they can bag the Govt so they can align with National. Its about the end result. But if national is well on the downer, why bag the Govt? if NZF wants in, they can be aggressive, but its like they dont want to be in Govt? Its very possible that it won't be a Kingmaker election. So why bag them? If it was heading towards a very close Labour-National election, then bagging them is good as both will be well up for a NZF coalition.

I dont quite get it. Its unlikely that everyone will flock to NZF

It's purely about differentiating from Labour and trying to get to 5%. This isn't about policy, it's about political theatre and trying to get enough grumpy reactionaries to vote NZ First. It doesn't look like it's working though.

Makes sense. Lots of loud air time. Yes, its not working. Being bold and prominent is one thing, being bolshie and bagging your partners is another. I feel many will see its gone way past holding Labour to account. He should have made his points, but in a calmer manner, then some will perceive that to be standing up to Labour when needed and making it about accountability and NZF's valid place.

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#2531621 30-Jul-2020 19:35

tdgeek:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/national-housing-spokesperson-jacqui-dean-falsely-claims-they-built-30-000-state-homes-when-last-in-power.html

Ouch

Hard to know what to believe when so many lies, and "it was a joke"

Deans later said she was just joking? The article does not mention that.

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#2531623 30-Jul-2020 19:38

The Spinoff had Simon Bridges on Politics in Pubs.

This is absolutely fascinating. He comes across as very genuine, reflective and funny in a goober kind of way. Facebook only but I guess it'll be on other platforms eventually. I'd highly recommend watching.

https://www.facebook.com/verbwellington/videos/615147192713540/

Edit: The video starts around the 35 minute mark

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#2531651 30-Jul-2020 20:13

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tdgeek:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/national-housing-spokesperson-jacqui-dean-falsely-claims-they-built-30-000-state-homes-when-last-in-power.html

Ouch

Hard to know what to believe when so many lies, and "it was a joke"

Deans later said she was just joking? The article does not mention that.

No, I was referring to Judith Colins joke excuse. Hard to know if its lies or "jokes" these days.

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#2531654 30-Jul-2020 20:17

Handle9: The Spinoff had Simon Bridges on Politics in Pubs.

Did anyone come across a YouTube link? I can't make myself go to Facebook without a very good reason. ; ).

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#2531695 30-Jul-2020 20:29

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Handle9: The Spinoff had Simon Bridges on Politics in Pubs.

Did anyone come across a YouTube link? I can't make myself go to Facebook without a very good reason. ; ).

It's not on YouTube but you can access it without logging in and in private browsing.

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#2531739 30-Jul-2020 21:07

gzt:
Handle9: The Spinoff had Simon Bridges on Politics in Pubs.

Did anyone come across a YouTube link? I can't make myself go to Facebook without a very good reason. ; ).

Same here! I just finished watching it, a very good watch.

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#2531747 30-Jul-2020 21:24

Brownlee is winning friends and influencing people...

Pressed for more concrete details, he told a reporter for Stuff and The Press: “Oh Jeez, I hate your newspaper. I really do.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/122303616/national-leader-judith-collins-makes-confusing-christchurch-hospital-car-parking-promise

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#2531748 30-Jul-2020 21:27

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GV27:

Seriously? She's going to appeal to more National voters than Bridges and Muller. I'd say she's a lock for at least 30% straight off the bat.

14.6% in the Newshub poll.

National at 25%

Ugly.

Collins at 20% in the CB poll. It's better than 15% but still a long way off viability.

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#2531774 30-Jul-2020 23:20

Is Judith going to call this two "rogue" polls in a row? Surely not.

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#2531779 31-Jul-2020 00:10

quickymart:

Is Judith going to call this two "rogue" polls in a row? Surely not.

Surely the polls are just fake news 🤣

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#2532176 31-Jul-2020 15:11

Handle9:

Brownlee is winning friends and influencing people...

Pressed for more concrete details, he told a reporter for Stuff and The Press: “Oh Jeez, I hate your newspaper. I really do.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/122303616/national-leader-judith-collins-makes-confusing-christchurch-hospital-car-parking-promise

More moves out of the Trump playbook. How long until he refers to one of them as failing or when pushed for details just tells the reporter they are fake news?

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