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#2532278 31-Jul-2020 17:33

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Handle9: The Spinoff had Simon Bridges on Politics in Pubs.

Did anyone come across a YouTube link? I can't make myself go to Facebook without a very good reason. ; ).

On YouTube now

https://youtu.be/LRp1-jxWJ_o

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#2532330 31-Jul-2020 18:56

IMO.. People like people. If you act well, make a booboo, thats ok. You may well be the best person in the world, but if you aggravate people, it puts people off. Regardless of politics "ism" or psychology, I feel that psychology wins. Labour/Jacinda has not gone down the negative-aggressive tact. Yes, they have the advantage of being the incumbent and done well in a couple of crises and economic prudence. But Simon bagged the positive Covid response, that hurt him, as he alluded to. I was quite impressed by this clip. Relaxed, funny, admitted stuff, and threw a few F and S words in for good measure. If he had done that pre coup, he would still be there, perceived as real. I have no doubt he is real, but as he stated a few times, made the mistake of going too hard.

JC is making the same mistake, bitching about everything as Muller did. Despite saying he wont be the opposing for the sake of it. The Newshub poll will reduce on election day. I can see Bridges getting back. Why? National need a younger image. Not necessarily age wise, but they have the old guard, JC and Gerry, that cannot help. SB was the JA equivalent, younger, fresher, but he needed/needs the genuine component. he has that, but he needs a fresher team, not hangers on from another generation.

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#2532439 31-Jul-2020 21:23

Agree with a lot of that. National still have no real decent policies and when they say something its very very flakey.

Its the other stuff as well though, JC was the same as Muller in Christchurch talking about stuff she has no idea about which makes them seem incompetent. case in point Brownlee going on about the Carpark for the hospital made them seem like total idiots.

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#2532496 1-Aug-2020 06:41

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Brownlee is winning friends and influencing people...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/122303616/national-leader-judith-collins-makes-confusing-christchurch-hospital-car-parking-promise

More moves out of the Trump playbook. How long until he refers to one of them as failing or when pushed for details just tells the reporter they are fake news?

To be honest I think he's just a grumpy old fart. I think that's the sort of thing that gets said more than we'd realise but not reported.

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#2532715 1-Aug-2020 14:27

JaseNZ:
Agree with a lot of that. National still have no real decent policies and when they say something its very very flakey.

Its the other stuff as well though, JC was the same as Muller in Christchurch talking about stuff she has no idea about which makes them seem incompetent. case in point Brownlee going on about the Carpark for the hospital made them seem like total idiots.

They spent a lot of time telling the country they had all this policy, and when it came time to actually release it, said policy was little more than 5 uncosted bullet points.

As for the recent carryon: strong team, my foot.

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#2533450 3-Aug-2020 07:04

I think they're starting from scratch with policy. I'll reserve judgement until then.

What a poor position for voters: The current govt who announces campaign policy it has no intention or capability of following through on and can't be trusted, or the opposition who is changing leaders every five weeks, can't articulate any policy that isn't a road and can't be trusted.

Party vote Jamie-Lee Ross' insane fringe raving lunatic party perhaps?

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#2533565 3-Aug-2020 10:01

To be honest I think he's just a grumpy old fart. I think that's the sort of thing that gets said more than we'd realise but not reported.

He's a disingenuous divisive liar. Worst possible person to be in a leadership position in a time of crisis.

At least you're supposed to know when Collins is lying - something to do with the eyebrows, apparently.

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#2533902 3-Aug-2020 18:39

GV27:

I think they're starting from scratch with policy. I'll reserve judgement until then.

No they are not. Collins has said that she intended to use the policy already developed. I think they are making policy up on top though.

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#2533984 3-Aug-2020 19:38

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GV27:

I think they're starting from scratch with policy. I'll reserve judgement until then.

No they are not. Collins has said that she intended to use the policy already developed. I think they are making policy up on top though.

Ah that makes sense. Today's transport announcement wasn't terrible, at least? Extending a commuter rail network is pretty bold stuff from them. Plus Collins has clearly had some training on how to respond to criticism about housing because she's taking a pretty front-footed approach to their track record:

"“The mistake was not being able to actually execute enough houses being built fast enough, to replace those that were being removed or actually taken out of the social housing pool,” Collins said on Friday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122162349/judith-collins-promises-to-repair-nationals-house-building-mistake

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#2534056 3-Aug-2020 21:05

This from the same crowd who said that apparently there was no housing shortage/crisis until they realised it mattered (ie, an election was coming up)? Yeah, no thanks.

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#2534209 4-Aug-2020 05:14

quickymart:

This from the same crowd who said that apparently there was no housing shortage/crisis until they realised it mattered (ie, an election was coming up)? Yeah, no thanks.

That train wreck was terrible to live through. All the while watching smug boomers on the 6 o'clock news taunt and mock younger people asking for a bit of help. Fully enabled by a Prime Minister that at one time said (paraphrased) 'Some people have been quite happy with the house price increases', something, for me, that is akin to 'white lives also matter'.

I can't help but imagine what we would be living now if that same crowd won the last election, we'd be like Australia right now, or worse. Do you remember the "Be more like Australia" narrative that came as the successful lockdown was entering its final phases?

How many of us would have died if we had have voted those blue guys in? How much more would our economy been damaged when we went back into lockdown like Melbourne? Would my kindly neighbour across the road who survived cancer 10 years ago now be dead?

Judith Collins words, sound more like whistle and an eyebrow waggle, 'Hey! Let's put things back where they were, old white people buying more houses'.

Roads? Housing? All important matters, but pale in comparison to the idea of letting Judith Collins decide when/where/who to let into the country.

Thanks, no thanks.

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#2534216 4-Aug-2020 07:06

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That train wreck was terrible to live through. All the while watching smug boomers on the 6 o'clock news taunt and mock younger people asking for a bit of help. Fully enabled by a Prime Minister that at one time said (paraphrased) 'Some people have been quite happy with the house price increases', something, for me, that is akin to 'white lives also matter'.

The "Nobody ever complained to me that their house values went up" is a John Howard quote people seem to throw back to a lot. Bill English probably would have been Prime Minister if he'd said they needed to make sweeping housing reform in the leader's debate. Instead he just didn't say anything.

But short of time travel, hearing them admit they made mistakes is useful start for discourse. Both parties are on record as saying they wished they had done more about housing affordability in the last 20 years, which is a good start.

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#2534754 4-Aug-2020 18:43

Funny thing is, I only really noticed prices (in Auckland, anyway) getting insanely bad in the early 2010s. In the 1990s and 2000s they weren't too bad.

After 2010-2011, it all started turning to crap. Today it's ridiculous.

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/38204

The irony in me posting that link is despite the fact I'm from the Coast, and it has some of the cheapest housing in New Zealand, I have no desire to live there again, ever :)

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#2534758 4-Aug-2020 18:50

quickymart:

Funny thing is, I only really noticed prices (in Auckland, anyway) getting insanely bad in the early 2010s. In the 1990s and 2000s they weren't too bad.

After 2010-2011, it all started turning to crap. Today it's ridiculous.

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/38204

The irony in me posting that link is despite the fact I'm from the Coast, and it has some of the cheapest housing in New Zealand, I have no desire to live there again, ever :)

Price is a lagging indicator of something causing change to the market.

Prices in the early 2000s starting to really take off and then compound effect takes hold.

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#2534993 5-Aug-2020 10:48

GV27:

What a poor position for voters: The current govt who announces campaign policy it has no intention or capability of following through on and can't be trusted, or the opposition who is changing leaders every five weeks, can't articulate any policy that isn't a road and can't be trusted.

To be fair to the current government (and all governments in MMP). In a campaign you are showcasing the policy you would enact if you were the government, ie if Labour were in a one party government and had a majority. The reality is that on election day, the government is formed by multiple parties - so you will by necessity always end up with something different to what was pushed on the campaign trail. It's just the reality of MMP.

The same is true of any MMP government. We didn't necessarily get what National had campaigned on in their previous terms, because they had United Future and the Maori Party influencing the policy that came out. In fairness, Labour have it worse on this front because they have less seats - so they actually need their coalition partners to get things through - which means the government policy will be markedly different from campaign policy.

That said, there are some obvious losses from the current government that aren't necessarily excusable by the above statement. To say they can't be trusted is unfair and untrue though.

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