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#2542133 16-Aug-2020 11:12

GV27:

The Health Minister does not use the Covid19 contact tracing app.

Words fail me.

I doubt he needs to use it. Government ministers are surrounded by aides who keep track of their every moment. You are just looking for things to be outraged about.

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#2542135 16-Aug-2020 11:15

bmt:

Much like Auckland, so a few thousand people go to the beach etc etc, but this is a city of 1.5m so it is a tiny number. Would it be nice if EVERYONE stayed home? Sure, but I'll take 99.5% over 95%.

Here's a hypothetical scenario - none of which requires massive leaps of logic.

The difference between 99.5% and 95% in a city the size of Auckland is.... 67,000 people. And you figure the ones at the beach are less likely to take the other measures seriously... so even only if half of those are still socialising and unnecessarily travelling, that's still 30,000 people. Based on the 30K tests done in one day, you could have maybe five people in there with Covid19 who are presumably unsymptomatic and won't pick up as needing to be tested.

Doesn't seen unreasonable.

So over the next two weeks, those five people eventually infect enough people to start showing up as symptomatic in testing, just after the current lockdown has ended. And then what? Do it all over again and turn a blind-eye to the non-compliance ad infinitum? And what of the post-Auckland L3 exodus when people can actually travel again - and these people take this hitherto undetected bubble all over the country with them? Just add another $20bn to the wage subsidy, money printer go brrr etc.

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#2542136 16-Aug-2020 11:17

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GV27:

The Health Minister does not use the Covid19 contact tracing app.

Words fail me.

He has staff who record his movements every day, down to the minute. Maybe one of them could scan codes to keep you happy.

I'm sure he doesn't have to wash his hands either if everyone else around him washes theirs, but he could at least take the lead. I have many problems with the app but I still use it because it's the right thing to do. And I'm not a Health Minister.

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#2542164 16-Aug-2020 12:12

GV27:

I'm sure he doesn't have to wash his hands either if everyone else around him washes theirs, but he could at least take the lead. I have many problems with the app but I still use it because it's the right thing to do. And I'm not a Health Minister.

Exactly this, he is the health minister and he should be setting the right example.

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#2542173 16-Aug-2020 12:30

Regardless of who's right, Hipkins should at least have enough brains not to allow his non-usage of the app to get out. Way to inspire confidence!

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#2542256 16-Aug-2020 14:12

He did come out pretty strongly on the stupid rumours being circulated by some equally stupid people so he deserves praise for that.

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#2542548 16-Aug-2020 21:03

networkn:

GV27:

I'm sure he doesn't have to wash his hands either if everyone else around him washes theirs, but he could at least take the lead. I have many problems with the app but I still use it because it's the right thing to do. And I'm not a Health Minister.

Exactly this, he is the health minister and he should be setting the right example.

True.

And the matter of his movements being traceable - if he was needed to be contacted - then with using the app, they'd contact him. Even with an exquisitely detailed record of his movements recorded elsewhere - they couldn't.

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#2542586 17-Aug-2020 06:17

Today will be absolutely fascinating. Ardern has to make the choice between pushing back the election, which isn't in her political interests, and risking Peters bringing down the government during a pandemic. The caretaker convention would then kick in.

The most sensible thing to do would be to postpone the election but it will be an interesting day.

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#2542587 17-Aug-2020 06:41

Postponement is an easy gimme for Ardern - she can be sure that National aren't suddenly going to get 20% more popular and avoid being accused of putting her own re-election before well-being and the interests of voter-turnout. She's almost certainly going to delay.

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#2542588 17-Aug-2020 07:11

She basically has to delay. In Winstons letter to the Governor General he makes it clear the majority of the house are in favor of a delay.

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#2542595 17-Aug-2020 07:39

There's also almost no political cost to her. She'd basically have to be caught intentionally spreading Covid19 in rest homes red-handed to lose from here, so the chance for her to stand up and say "We can't risk further transmission with voting day lines and there is an unacceptable trade-off with voter participation for our democracy so we must delay, in line with the stated wishes of the majority of the parties in parliament" is a total no-brainer and makes her look responsible and prepared to put a certain crushing win on the backburner, even though there is a miniscule chance it could work out badly for her.

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#2542603 17-Aug-2020 07:55

nathan: She basically has to delay. In Winstons letter to the Governor General he makes it clear the majority of the house are in favor of a delay.

Or not, and Winston dissolves the parliament ..... and then there is an election.

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#2542604 17-Aug-2020 08:01

GV27: The Health Minister does not use the Covid19 contact tracing app.

Words fail me.

It is an interesting take as I also watched the interview.

My take from it is that he was using it as part of his day to day life, but most of the time he was working so only had a few places he could possibly be.

I recommend you take up your disapproval in the COVID App Thread: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=161&topicid=270639

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#2542605 17-Aug-2020 08:02

Rikkitic:

GV27:

The Health Minister does not use the Covid19 contact tracing app.

Words fail me.

I doubt he needs to use it. Government ministers are surrounded by aides who keep track of their every moment. You are just looking for things to be outraged about.

So David Clark’s bike ride was recorded by aides?

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#2542607 17-Aug-2020 08:20

BarTender:

Or not, and Winston dissolves the parliament ..... and then there is an election.

Winston can't dissolve the parliament - the GG does after being requested to by the PM. Winston is attempting to publicly snooker Ardern by publicly stating it would be against the wishes of the majority of Parliament. It will be interesting to see how she responds - but any talk of a full-blown constitutional crisis is premature until Ardern refuses to shift the election - which as stated above, is incredibly unlikely.

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