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  #2492447 27-May-2020 07:43
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GV27:

 

It's all a bit Carry On at the moment. Feel bad for Nikki Kaye, but we'll see where this goes. 

 

 

Not trying to pre empt anything but is Luxon standing somewhere safe in Sept? He does seem to be a little groomed for the role


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  #2493114 27-May-2020 19:39
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I reserve judgment on the banished hat. Removing it from display could either be common sense, politically expedient, or a sign that Tod Muller has elastic principles. 

 

Personally, I'm more concerned about his stance against abortion and euthanasia.

 

Maybe these principles will join the hat. 





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  #2493243 27-May-2020 23:46
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GV27:

 

It's all a bit Carry On at the moment. Feel bad for Nikki Kaye, but we'll see where this goes. 

 

 

You mean Kuia Kaye from Ngati Epsom?

 

This whole thing is comedy gold.


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  #2493250 28-May-2020 00:01
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tdgeek:

 

GV27:

 

It's all a bit Carry On at the moment. Feel bad for Nikki Kaye, but we'll see where this goes. 

 

 

Not trying to pre empt anything but is Luxon standing somewhere safe in Sept? He does seem to be a little groomed for the role

 

 

I'm sure you can find the answer to that with 3 seconds of googling.

 

As mentioned on here earlier in the thread IMO Luxon is far from certain to be successful. IMO he's far too smug and comes across as a bit of a knob (I felt that way well before reading about his political aspirations).

 

He's certainly not John Key, despite certain people positioning him that way.


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  #2493464 28-May-2020 10:59
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I'm sure you can find the answer to that with 3 seconds of googling.

 

As mentioned on here earlier in the thread IMO Luxon is far from certain to be successful. IMO he's far too smug and comes across as a bit of a knob (I felt that way well before reading about his political aspirations).

 

He's certainly not John Key, despite certain people positioning him that way.

 

 

My read on Luxon is it seems his greatest success at Air NZ was coasting along on the work Rob Fyfe did during his tenure as CEO. He also got out at the right time it seems.


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  #2493608 28-May-2020 12:22
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Handle9:

 

He's certainly not John Key, despite certain people positioning him that way.

 

 

I get the feeling he is far more conservative than most people would be comfortable with. 


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  #2493612 28-May-2020 12:27
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I get the feeling he is far more conservative than most people would be comfortable with. 

 

 

Yep - he puts off the socially liberal majorly.


 
 
 
 


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  #2493613 28-May-2020 12:30
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Todd thought that he could just come along and say I'm better in business so vote for me. To be a PM it requires a bit more than that. I'm not saying he should be like John Key. What I mean is John said, I'll lower tax and sure hi did. To his mates, for the rest of the population he hiked GST. Good old John cut a lot of things you would not notice unless you need it. Here I am thinking health care, or parts there of. I'm sure Todd would be on similar line and not too Catholic when it comes to be fair across the population.
I must admit I had a chuckle during the first few days.
I'm not saying Jacinda is the best of all. One thing for sure, she was the best we could wish for during covid19 and she would be the best person to continue at the moment.



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  #2493923 28-May-2020 21:34
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It is very early days for Todd Muller.  Luxon is not yet even a newbie MP yet so leadership aspirations are years away.





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  #2494021 29-May-2020 07:09
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Noig:

 

One thing for sure, she was the best we could wish for during covid19 and she would be the best person to continue at the moment.

 

Best during Covid19? For sure. 

 

The recovery is going to require a huge amount of money to spent and we'll need something to show for it. Another two years of fumbling around the edges with constant expectation resets and no ministerial accountability won't cut it. This, I think, is National's only real chance at beating Labour - to highlight how little they actually got done and how much of a gamble it would be to expect them to suddenly come good when we need them to execute flawlessly.

 

Not that National is proving they have the know how of how to execute anything but each other this point, but this probably how it will go. 


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  #2494022 29-May-2020 07:14
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GV27:

 

Noig:

 

One thing for sure, she was the best we could wish for during covid19 and she would be the best person to continue at the moment.

 

Best during Covid19? For sure. 

 

The recovery is going to require a huge amount of money to spent and we'll need something to show for it. Another two years of fumbling around the edges with constant expectation resets and no ministerial accountability won't cut it. This, I think, is National's only real chance at beating Labour - to highlight how little they actually got done and how much of a gamble it would be to expect them to suddenly come good when we need them to execute flawlessly.

 

Not that National is proving they have the know how of how to execute anything but each other this point, but this probably how it will go. 

 

 

The difference is Grant Robertson will be running the recovery, not Twyford, or Goldsmith or Winston


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  #2494089 29-May-2020 08:49
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As a committed non-National voter, and one who doesn't like to see too much power concentrated in one place, I usually end up voting Greens for lack of anything better. I am an unabashed fan of Jacinda Ardern but I will probably still end up voting Greens. 

 

I try to keep myself honest by at least considering National as an option, but I just can't see myself ever moving in that direction. Whatever mistakes and sheer stupidities the government makes, my bottom line is always would things be better under National and I have never been able to convince myself they would. I don't like most National policies, though there are occasional exceptions, and I really don't like most National politicians. Again, there are exceptions but I just find them unpleasant people I would not want to have dinner with. Of course that is based entirely on my perception of their public profiles. I have never met any of them.

 

I don't know how much of Labour's non-performance can fairly be blamed on Winston Peters. He certainly hasn't helped matters. What I would really like to see, just for once, is a government that could competently implement many of the progressive policies Labour pays lip service to, especially in the areas of health, housing and public transport. I would like  to see some real imagination and innovation (and courage) applied to tax and welfare reform. I would like to see an end to grinding poverty, not by punishing the rich, but by changing society. Since none of these things seems likely to happen, and since I never believe any political party's policy promises, I will reluctantly keep voting non-National just to keep National away from power for as long as possible. Maybe one day they will come up with a palatable shadow cabinet. Miracles are possible, I suppose.

 

 





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  #2494386 29-May-2020 15:06
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tdgeek:

The difference is Grant Robertson will be running the recovery, not Twyford, or Goldsmith or Winston



So Robertson will be digging the holes for the infrastructure, running MSD to hand out the dole cheques and building the hospitals by himself?

The government is a massive bureaucracy and each minister is responsible for the actions of thousands of people. Robertson is minister of finance, not the Tsar making all the decisions and executing all the policies.

He allocates each ministry money and then it's up to the minister to spend it.

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  #2494400 29-May-2020 15:24
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tdgeek:

 

The difference is Grant Robertson will be running the recovery, not Twyford, or Goldsmith or Winston

 



So Robertson will be digging the holes for the infrastructure, running MSD to hand out the dole cheques and building the hospitals by himself?

The government is a massive bureaucracy and each minister is responsible for the actions of thousands of people. Robertson is minister of finance, not the Tsar making all the decisions and executing all the policies.

He allocates each ministry money and then it's up to the minister to spend it.

 

I am assuming that there wont be any Twyford-like ineptitude involved given the past missteps by this Govt, they will be making sure the deliver what is needed, that is posisble to be delivered. Building infrastructure isnt the same as creating a Kiwibuild from an ideology and hoping it works. RMA will be shortcut as needed I think that law or regulation is already underway from what I read the other day. No, I dont foresee him with a shovel, I foresee he will be doing more than signing cheques. To avoid the mistakes of the past.


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  #2494407 29-May-2020 15:36
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So Robertson will be digging the holes for the infrastructure, running MSD to hand out the dole cheques and building the hospitals by himself?

The government is a massive bureaucracy and each minister is responsible for the actions of thousands of people. Robertson is minister of finance, not the Tsar making all the decisions and executing all the policies.

He allocates each ministry money and then it's up to the minister to spend it.


I am assuming that there wont be any Twyford-like ineptitude involved given the past missteps by this Govt, they will be making sure the deliver what is needed, that is posisble to be delivered. Building infrastructure isnt the same as creating a Kiwibuild from an ideology and hoping it works. RMA will be shortcut as needed I think that law or regulation is already underway from what I read the other day. No, I dont foresee him with a shovel, I foresee he will be doing more than signing cheques. To avoid the mistakes of the past.



The same people will be doing the same job but you expect a different result. How?

Twyford is responsible for Economic development, not Robertson. Robertson isn't sitting around looking for things to do. He is busy enough with finance.

Governments rely on big teams, the jobs are too big for one person to run a government alone.

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