A police officer is dead and another hurt after a traffic stop in Auckland

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#2508175 19-Jun-2020 15:17

frankv:

Colorado Springs is a city of about 470,000, so I'd guess the size of greater Wellington? It has 700 sworn police officers. So on average 1 in 7 cops pulls a gun on somebody in any given month.

Likelihood of firing a weapon is increased by white, male, ex-military, being in a large city, and a few other factors:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/

Reading the same article...

"In fact, only about a quarter (27%) of all officers say they have ever fired their service weapon while on the job"

This is exceptionally high, higher than I'd have thought.

Nearly 1/3 of cop's have fired at people. Let alone how many drew their guns.

Extrapolating this to NZ, would mean around 3000 cops have fired at people.

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#2508178 19-Jun-2020 15:19

frankv:

Colorado Springs is a city of about 470,000, so I'd guess the size of greater Wellington? It has 700 sworn police officers. So on average 1 in 7 cops pulls a gun on somebody in any given month.

Likelihood of firing a weapon is increased by white, male, ex-military, being in a large city, and a few other factors:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/

If those numbers are good enough for you, feel free to go and enjoy that kind of policing. They aren't good enough for me or, I'd venture, the overwhelming number of normal NZers.

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#2508180 19-Jun-2020 15:19

Horrible news.... i was out west near the incident around about this time, had no idea what was going on just that rather unusually busy..

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#2508223 19-Jun-2020 15:25

This person murdered an unarmed man, just doing their job to earn money.

And somehow this was their fault if the vitriol spewing bigoted pieces of subhuman garbage are to be believed. I despise people sometimes. Things like this bring out the utter worse in humanity.

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#2508226 19-Jun-2020 15:28

I don't agree with arming Police, but body cams yes! What I do agree with is much tougher sentencing for acts of murder like this. The offender in this case when caught, the sentence should be life imprisonment, without parole.

I'm sick of seeing murderers in this country who are convicted beyond doubt, and who receive a life sentence of 20 years and eligible for parole after 10 years.

Sorry but life means life. You take a life, you never come out.

If we had tougher sentences, then ideally those who are carrying out their evil acts will think twice before they act.

I also think we need to re-assess our prisons, they shouldn't be seen as a luxury, remove internet/Sky tv, etc. Should be a concrete cell with a bed and toilet.

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#2508229 19-Jun-2020 15:32

gmball:

I knew someone would say that before the 3rd page.

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#2508230 19-Jun-2020 15:33

dejadeadnz:

frankv:

Colorado Springs is a city of about 470,000, so I'd guess the size of greater Wellington? It has 700 sworn police officers. So on average 1 in 7 cops pulls a gun on somebody in any given month.

Likelihood of firing a weapon is increased by white, male, ex-military, being in a large city, and a few other factors:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/08/a-closer-look-at-police-officers-who-have-fired-their-weapon-on-duty/

If those numbers are good enough for you, feel free to go and enjoy that kind of policing. They aren't good enough for me or, I'd venture, the overwhelming number of normal NZers.

I never said they were good, or good enough for me. Just that it wasn't *routine* in America for cops to point a gun at people as you claimed. It's an out-of-the-ordinary event, which has to be reported in many jurisdictions.

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#2508231 19-Jun-2020 15:34

elpenguino:
gmball:

I knew someone would say that before the 3rd page.

Say what?

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#2508232 19-Jun-2020 15:35

gmball:
I don't agree with arming Police, but body cams yes! What I do agree with is much tougher sentencing for acts of murder like this. The offender in this case when caught, the sentence should be life imprisonment, without parole.

I'm sick of seeing murderers in this country who are convicted beyond doubt, and who receive a life sentence of 20 years and eligible for parole after 10 years.

Sorry but life means life. You take a life, you never come out.

If we had tougher sentences, then ideally those who are carrying out their evil acts will think twice before they act.

I also think we need to re-assess our prisons, they shouldn't be seen as a luxury, remove internet/Sky tv, etc. Should be a concrete cell with a bed and toilet.

Locking people up for longer means people get locked up for longer.

Draconian sentences hasn't made a blind bit of difference in the US or NZ.

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#2508234 19-Jun-2020 15:38

Locking people up for longer means people get locked up for longer.

Draconian sentences hasn't made a blind bit of difference in the US or NZ.

If I had my way, we would have the death sentence for anyone convicted of murder beyond doubt.

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#2508240 19-Jun-2020 15:45

gmball:

I'm sick of seeing murderers in this country who are convicted beyond doubt, and who receive a life sentence of 20 years and eligible for parole after 10 years.

*yawn*

Have you ever read the provisions of the Sentencing Act? It's actually impossible for people to receive a life sentence with a minimum non-parole period of 20 years and then be released after 10 except under the royal prerogative of mercy or compassionate release, which typically happens for prisoners suffering from terminal illnesses. The default sentence for all but the most exceptional murders is life imprisonment with a minimum non-parole period of 10 years. Being subject to life imprisonment means that, even when paroled, an offender is liable to be recalled if in breach of his or her release conditions etc.

But don't let facts get in the way!

If we had tougher sentences, then ideally those who are carrying out their evil acts will think twice before they act.

I also think we need to re-assess our prisons, they shouldn't be seen as a luxury, remove internet/Sky tv, etc. Should be a concrete cell with a bed and toilet.

Have you ever been inside a prison? Funnily enough, the last sentence of yours is actually rather accurate. And that might be the only thing in your post that was right. And tougher sentences have been proven for decades to have little general nor specific deterrent effects.

Here's my suggestion: find someone else to prattle on about.

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#2508243 19-Jun-2020 15:48

Have you ever been inside a prison? Funnily enough, the last sentence of yours is actually rather accurate. And that might be the only thing in your post that was right. And tougher sentences have been proven for decades to have little general nor specific deterrent effects.

Here's my suggestion: find someone else to prattle on about.

I think what you'll find is I'm providing my opinion which is what these forums are for. If you don't like people sharing their views, look away.

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#2508246 19-Jun-2020 15:50

gmball:

If I had my way, we would have the death sentence for anyone convicted of murder beyond doubt.

Don't strain your neck waiting to see when we will join failed states like the US, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and so forth. We also signed up to the ICCPR, which proscribes against the DP.

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#2508250 19-Jun-2020 16:09

gmball:

Locking people up for longer means people get locked up for longer.

Draconian sentences hasn't made a blind bit of difference in the US or NZ.

If I had my way, we would have the death sentence for anyone convicted of murder beyond doubt.

Given that you're justifying longer prison sentences with justification that was demonstrated to be a fallacy a long time ago it's good that you don't get your way.

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#2508252 19-Jun-2020 16:10

elpenguino:
gmball:

I knew someone would say that before the 3rd page.

Lol. It's fairly predictable isn't it?

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