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#2588138 20-Oct-2020 10:23

National post-election meeting getting underway. Lots of MPs having chats on the way in and I'd a few will have plenty to say on the way out.

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#2588155 20-Oct-2020 11:06

General thoughts, very happy with the election outcome myself - although in truth, I would have liked Labour needing the Greens in support to govern as I don't think Labour alone will do enough of what actually needs doing.

Very happy with Chloe Swarbrick's win in Auckland Central. She's a fantastic MP and this is well deserved. Having been involved in her campaign, I can say it was very hard fought and certainly hard earned.

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#2588281 20-Oct-2020 12:44

Please drop Tyford from any and all responsibilities going forward.

Just one of the so many wrong decisions made by this twot.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/123145008/kirsten-dunsts-nanny-deemed-an-essential-worker-enters-nz

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#2588341 20-Oct-2020 13:34

JaseNZ:

Please drop Tyford from any and all responsibilities going forward.

Just one of the so many wrong decisions made by this twot.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/123145008/kirsten-dunsts-nanny-deemed-an-essential-worker-enters-nz

Why?

I'm sure there are plenty of nannies in NZ that can fill the role of a nanny but this is a situation where the nanny is likely a live in person and seen as a family member by the kid.

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#2588346 20-Oct-2020 13:39

Agree, Twyford is not great but this is a non-issue. Im sure the harmony of cooperating with a mutli million dollar film venture in NZ is worth the almost zero risk of a nanny in MIQ. Note also that Dunst etc asked to isolate on a farm, declined, they went to MIQ.

Nothing to see here

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#2588388 20-Oct-2020 14:21

tdgeek:

Agree, Twyford is not great but this is a non-issue. Im sure the harmony of cooperating with a mutli million dollar film venture in NZ is worth the almost zero risk of a nanny in MIQ. Note also that Dunst etc asked to isolate on a farm, declined, they went to MIQ.

Nothing to see here

It was more of a thousand cuts scenario, just another one to add to his list.

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#2588390 20-Oct-2020 14:29

JaseNZ:

It was more of a thousand cuts scenario, just another one to add to his list.

I guess, yeah. Although I see the decision as correct. More importantly is to ensure that he is only is the Minister of Playgrounds South of Stewart Island portfolio...thats the key message!

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#2588410 20-Oct-2020 15:03

Interesting essay on Labour values.

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#2595859 1-Nov-2020 11:33

I see the Greens have gratefully accepted the crumbs offered by Labour. I also see the decision was by no means a consensus one. My own feeling, and it's nothing more than that, is that the Labour offer is somewhat disparaging, and Jacinda Ardern could have been more generous. Just because she has a 100% 'mandate' doesn't mean she has to use all of it. I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

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#2595871 1-Nov-2020 11:59

Rikkitic:

I see the Greens have gratefully accepted the crumbs offered by Labour. I also see the decision was by no means a consensus one. My own feeling, and it's nothing more than that, is that the Labour offer is somewhat disparaging, and Jacinda Ardern could have been more generous. Just because she has a 100% 'mandate' doesn't mean she has to use all of it. I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

So we have a climate change minister outside cabinet (so much for the 'nuclear free' moment when you compare it to Key personally taking tourism on himself) and one other Green minister, while Sage is out totally and Swarbrick isn't even granted a joint-associate portfolio or secretary role given she's in her second term now and had one of the star performances of the election. I can see why the members didn't rush to give this the same rubber stamp they gave the last agreement. Davidson's role covers staff who are actually employed by other ministries. Crumbs is really being quite generous.

In fact, I can see this becoming quite a problem for the Greens as time goes by and an increasingly frustrated activist base gets annoyed with a lack of progress in any key areas.

Having said that, I'm stunned to see that electoral finance, thresholds and terms of governance are in the agreement. Only one of these things got any real attention during the campaign. Will Labour make the same mistakes they did with the EFA all over again?

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#2595879 1-Nov-2020 12:41

Rikkitic:

I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

Yeah, that worked out well for the Maori party

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#2595933 1-Nov-2020 17:55

MadEngineer:

Rikkitic:

I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

Yeah, that worked out well for the Maori party

Climate change absolutely is an issue, even if globally it's something pushed to the side by even centrist governments (what few of them are left). So that one is good, if Shaw can keep it top of mind and in the news - which is where it needs to be. He's made some dumb errors of judgement, but he's a smart guy.

Family/sexual violence seems strange combination to me, family violence is an ongoing problem in NZ, but it's tied in with stupid policies, the failed war on drugs (and consequent methamphetamine plague), our deep love affair with legal hard drugs (alcohol) and (often associated) abject and absolute poverty. Sexual violence probably doesn't fit - it happens at all levels in society, different problem with different solutions.

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#2595966 1-Nov-2020 18:50

Rikkitic:

I see the Greens have gratefully accepted the crumbs offered by Labour. I also see the decision was by no means a consensus one. My own feeling, and it's nothing more than that, is that the Labour offer is somewhat disparaging, and Jacinda Ardern could have been more generous. Just because she has a 100% 'mandate' doesn't mean she has to use all of it. I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

The Greens had two options. Achieve a little of their agenda or achieve nothing. They chose to try to achieve something, which seems in line with their ideals. They are free to criticise Labour in areas outside their portfolios so really haven't given much away.

Labour was never going to give the Greens much - they don't need to so why would they substitute their agenda for the Greens?

It's unfortunate that Sage and Genter are no longer ministers. From what I have read they were both effective and competent.

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#2595967 1-Nov-2020 18:53

MadEngineer:

Rikkitic:

I think in this case that the Greens would have maintained more dignity by politely declining and going into opposition. What do others think about this? Did they make the best of a bad deal, or did they shoot themselves in the foot?

Yeah, that worked out well for the Maori party

Whanau Ora was a hell of an achievement for the Maori Party. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been in government.

Retaining power or staying in parliament isn't the only measurement of success.

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#2596085 2-Nov-2020 08:23

Handle9:

It's unfortunate that Sage and Genter are no longer ministers. From what I have read they were both effective and competent.

Sage seems to be a very divisive figure, even among conservation activists. Apparently a lot of the DOC workers and volunteers on the West Coast can't stand her after the Pike Memorial Track opening.

But yes Genter has consistently been excellent around transport and urban planning areas. Swarbrick and Ghahraman would also be great in roles with more responsibility.

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