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#3024063 19-Jan-2023 16:25

Surely Stuff must be taking the p**s when they include Nanaia Mahuta in the mix??? It would be hard to find a more contentious MP with 3Waters and her family contacts etc.

Anyway, I could only see myself voting for Chris Hipkins out of that bunch.

Jacinda Ardern resigns: Who are the contenders to be New Zealand's next prime minister? | Stuff.co.nz

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#3024077 19-Jan-2023 16:27

Hipkins does seem the least unlikely. Unless Labour decides this election is a lost cause and puts up a sacrificial leader to buy some rebuild time.

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#3024082 19-Jan-2023 16:34

Rikkitic:

Hipkins does seem the least unlikely. Unless Labour decides this election is a lost cause and puts up a sacrificial leader to buy some rebuild time.

Yeah, it might be a poisoned chalice. Hipkins doesn't really have enough time to prove to any possible swing voters that he can get the job done so would he even want it? It is almost a repeat of Key handing the reigns over to English when the Nats were on a bit of a downward slide, perhaps not as much as this Labour government but then again, this Labour government had further to fall given their spectacular result at the last election.

I do like Hipkins and if he can convince me he can turn Labour into a party that will deliver on its policies, and they have policies I like i would certainly consider giving them my vote. I like Luxon as well but I am a bit concerned that he just isn't going to get enough of the party vote and they are going to have to make concessions to Act and even NZ 1st which might be hard to swallow for a centrist voter. What I don't want is either Labour or National becoming so desperate to form a coalition that they will do just just about anything to please their partners, $3b 'regional investment fund' springs to mind.

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#3024087 19-Jan-2023 16:45

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She has received fewer personal family attacks than the Key and English family both during his term and subsequent period.

Not sure about the family attacks, but the blatant sexist referrals to the PM as Cindy is surely running at about 100 to 1 on the times Key and English were demeaningly referred to by their first names.

First time I heard her referred to by that nickname was in a video by 4 National Party Woman MPs, led by Paula Bennett. Is it still sexist then? Or just political name calling? How about if the PM refers to a member of the opposition, using male genitalia as a descriptor? (Pun not intended)

Over the years politicians have sometimes gained and retained nicknames. The prominent that springs to mind being Robert Muldoon. But ones like Norm Kirk even had a song using his nickname written about him.

Jenny Shipley and Judith Collins also had their fair share of name calling directed at them.

Politics is a dirty game and requires a thick skin. Unfortunate, but human nature I’m afraid.

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#3024091 19-Jan-2023 16:49

marmel:

Surely Stuff must be taking the p**s when they include Nanaia Mahuta in the mix??? It would be hard to find a more contentious MP with 3Waters and her family contacts etc.

Anyway, I could only see myself voting for Chris Hipkins out of that bunch.

Jacinda Ardern resigns: Who are the contenders to be New Zealand's next prime minister? | Stuff.co.nz

On the plus side, it probably means Nats may win without the need for ACT, or if ACT is still needed then Winston is not.

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#3024093 19-Jan-2023 16:49

Good on her for just coming out and saying she just doesn't have the energy for another term. I think it's also timely that her daughter starts school shortly so no doubt wanting to be there for her young one had some bearing on her decision.

'Let's finally get married:' Jacinda Ardern's heartfelt message to family | Stuff.co.nz

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#3024169 19-Jan-2023 18:28

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she would have been defending a do-nothing government with a track record of walking away from or failing to deliver on almost the entirety of their 2017 platform.

Sounds familiar.

Lets wait for a clean reset when either party can announce their policies later this year. Tangible policies

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#3024171 19-Jan-2023 18:38

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GV27:

she would have been defending a do-nothing government with a track record of walking away from or failing to deliver on almost the entirety of their 2017 platform.

Sounds familiar.

Lets wait for a clean reset when either party can announce their policies later this year. Tangible policies

After 6 years of broken promises how do you know which ones are 'tangible'? I mean, how could anyone take a Labour promise seriously at this point?

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#3024174 19-Jan-2023 18:44

marmel:

One thing I am really keen to see play out is if National can get things done, if they win the election. Have we as a country become so badly mismanaged and reliant on others that we just no longer have the ability to successfully see major projects through, regardless of who is in the beehive?

Great question. Do we have the funds? We can't add tax, we cannot reduce spending on health and education and infrastructure, and etc, So we live with what we have, so its drip feed stuff, or halt spending and attack stuff.

I dont see us as badly mismanaged, but its like a house owned by a low income family. Can do stuff, but gradually. Then gradually allows other stuff to fester.

But commentary here shows Labour is rubbish. Outside influences are not big (apparently) So fixing that should be easy, repeal 12 things, replace them we are well on our way.

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#3024221 19-Jan-2023 18:58

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After 6 years of broken promises how do you know which ones are 'tangible'? I mean, how could anyone take a Labour promise seriously at this point?

Was every promise broken? Every?

I assume Covid, Ukraine and the fallout from both (which is global) is not that big a deal? No, thats not defending, its a fact.

By tangible, what I was inferring, is that a promise is tangible. I wont explain that.Letsvsay each party has 15 tangible promises. A couple of biggies, small handful of mediums, the rest are minor. Thats accountability. Saying we will make NZ grow is not tangible, and to be fair thats been Nationals mantra for a while now

So lets see promises = accountability

How could we take Natioanls promises seriously? Well they dont exist. We did have a 50 roads of national significance, that went hardly anywhere. That one exsmple

So lets clear the slate, lets put the two party's tangible promises that they can be accounted for.

Just dont put Goldsmith as Finance Minister, please.

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#3024223 19-Jan-2023 19:07

Rikkitic:

I also very much wonder about this. No-one has mentioned the Christchurch rebuild, but that didn't exactly leave National covered in glory, especially when compared to the Japanese example. Whoever is ultimately responsible, I have serious doubts about our ability to bring off any large project without numerous restarts and major cost overruns. It seems to just be part of our culture.

It was a sh1tfest of incompetence. JK was standing in Worcester St overlooking an active fire in a strip club (Im fine with that ) Asked about the rebuild, "we have plenty of money" we didnt. To be fair (and Ive met him twice and chatted) he was a good front line person as Ardern was . Calm, stable etc, but the rebuild and EQC was rubbish. The rest of the country was sick of it, as we were, but it was totally incompetent. CEO restarts, and so on

Had Labour been ruling would it have been awesome? Off course it would have been (joking) The take out is look at the issue, look at the massive things to foresee, no it wont be easy, mistakes will happen. But thats not important, being a partisan Kiwi is, so its not that far off the US in many respects. Everyone wants to get the daggers out. Nothing new now

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#3024225 19-Jan-2023 19:11

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I'm quite disheartened to see the number of people who at the mention of her resignation already dancing up on down on the grave of her political career.

Yes, I admit that the government hasn't done a lot of things right - their handling of coronavirus was definitely an area they did extremely well in (compared to a lot of other places) but really, is there any need for the schadenfreude? All these "we hate Jacinda" posts...I bet half these people couldn't even do 1% of her job and put up with all the crap she had to.

It's easy to criticise when you're not actually doing the job yourself, but there's nothing to stop you having a go and running for something is there?

Anyway, I don't know who's going to replace her. I saw Chris Hipkins mentioned a few pages ago, he could be a possibility. Will be interesting to see who comes along next.

Thats all good, National will win anyway, so they can be accountable. No excuses. Im just hoping that they have policies not ideology. Then we can assess on that

The National thread will reverse, Nats will be defending and Labs will be attacking. No, it wont be the exact reverse of the last 5 years. You can work out why

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#3024226 19-Jan-2023 19:15

marmel:

Yeah ChCh aftermath was a mess and still is in some ways, surprising just how unprepared we were given the geographic location of NZ and the relative risks because of that.

Agree

There are many other risks, and not referring to the Alpine Fault or AKL, there are risks everywhere. We sit ON a tectonic plate boundary. No one is safe. After the event I watched an OLD new video, made maybe early 80's maybe earlier, it predicted what happened. We apparently are safe for 16000 years, sweet! (well these faults not others) But I digress

Our preparedness is significantly higher now, due to scientists, not politics.

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#3024276 19-Jan-2023 19:26

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This is the bit thats been worrying me over the last 3-4 years. I fear we are moving towards the us-vs-them mentality of the US and other countries.

You mean this thread?

I think you are over thinking it, we are not divided. Here when National has a fart this thread stops, when Labour does it fires up, thats normal and expected.

I guess if you want to blame inflation, oil prices, supply issues, well I cant speak for anyone else, but its a global issue, which we have managed better than most, same with the GFC, our international banking structure and debt structure made that a quick recovery

Outside this thread people get on with it. Ive spent a lot of time in the US it is not like that by any stretch.

Dont worry about it

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#3024325 19-Jan-2023 19:44

Rikkitic:

Hipkins does seem the least unlikely. Unless Labour decides this election is a lost cause and puts up a sacrificial leader to buy some rebuild time.

Agree. Hipkins was a face, that's all. Parker is a clean option, maybe too nice, you need to be a bit more aggressive. Opposition makes it easier though, which is 90% going to be the case

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