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#2801226 26-Oct-2021 11:17

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"North Korean hermit kingdom indefinitely". "totalitarian socialism"... well Mr NZ Herald columnist and former National party staffer... go @#$% yourself 😁

No need to be so upset. Mr Hooten acknowledges his reference was a bit of hyperbole. That comment aside I think his sentiments about having a hard open date with sufficient time beforehand to everyone to be vaccinated are shared by a large portion of the population, certainly in the circles I have contact with.

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#2801246 26-Oct-2021 11:33

Mr Hooten
"a bit of hyperbole"

Really ? Its about as large an excursion from any reality that one can take.
Then one expects to be taken seriously as a reasoned commentator ?

The world has seen too much of this kind of argument.
He seems to need a schooling on the horrors of North Korea, as it minimizes them in the same degree.

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#2801265 26-Oct-2021 11:44

Technofreak:

arcon:

"North Korean hermit kingdom indefinitely". "totalitarian socialism"... well Mr NZ Herald columnist and former National party staffer... go @#$% yourself 😁

No need to be so upset. Mr Hooten acknowledges his reference was a bit of hyperbole. That comment aside I think his sentiments about having a hard open date with sufficient time beforehand to everyone to be vaccinated are shared by a large portion of the population, certainly in the circles I have contact with.

Give me a break - he immediately encourages hyperbole by saying its "not hyperbole enough" due to an "attack" on liberal values. I'm not referencing his opening date opinions but the disgusting politicization of it.

This is the epitome of division. Encouragement of speech that bends reality purely to get people foaming at the mouth - its the oldest trick in the book & is pretty much why the US is in such a mess. Get them voting on emotion even if we turn up with backwards policy or nothing solutions it doesn't matter, as long as we tell them to get rid of the commies.

Considering the explosion of this language here over the past year anyone who thinks there aren't enough dumb kiwis for it to be a threat is kidding themselves.

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#2801267 26-Oct-2021 11:48

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Give me a break - he immediately encourages hyperbole by saying its "not hyperbole enough" due to an "attack" on liberal values. I'm not referencing his opening date opinions but the disgusting politicization of it.

This is the epitome of division. Encouragement of speech that bends reality purely to get people foaming at the mouth - its the oldest trick in the book & is pretty much why the US is in such a mess. Get them voting on emotion even if we turn up with backwards policy or nothing solutions it doesn't matter, as long as we tell them to get rid of the commies.

Considering the explosion of this language here over the past year anyone who thinks there aren't enough dumb kiwis for it to be a threat is kidding themselves.

Look at who's foaming at the mouth. Hint it's not me.

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#2801272 26-Oct-2021 11:55

Technofreak:

arcon:

Give me a break - he immediately encourages hyperbole by saying its "not hyperbole enough" due to an "attack" on liberal values. I'm not referencing his opening date opinions but the disgusting politicization of it.

This is the epitome of division. Encouragement of speech that bends reality purely to get people foaming at the mouth - its the oldest trick in the book & is pretty much why the US is in such a mess. Get them voting on emotion even if we turn up with backwards policy or nothing solutions it doesn't matter, as long as we tell them to get rid of the commies.

Considering the explosion of this language here over the past year anyone who thinks there aren't enough dumb kiwis for it to be a threat is kidding themselves.

Look at who's foaming at the mouth. Hint it's not me.

But he is right. People use this kind of language as a way to have an "out" and later say "I didn't mean like that" when in fact they know too well their supporters will hear exactly like that and repeat it elsewhere.

This is what the right is using these days - say something that can be denied in public, but in private they know it will be well received by their supporters that won't delve too much into it and accept anything they say.

It is a disgusting use of language and shows how manipulative these people are.

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#2801277 26-Oct-2021 12:04

Or even worse, how blindly their supporters just listen to and hang on their every word with question, almost like sheep. Trump was very well versed in this sort of thing, IMO.

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#2801353 26-Oct-2021 13:34

freitasm:

But he is right. People use this kind of language as a way to have an "out" and later say "I didn't mean like that" when in fact they know too well their supporters will hear exactly like that and repeat it elsewhere.

This is what the right is using these days - say something that can be denied in public, but in private they know it will be well received by their supporters that won't delve too much into it and accept anything they say.

It is a disgusting use of language and shows how manipulative these people are.

But if their divisive language is called out, suddenly that's 'cancel culture'.

These insults work better in the usa where much effort has been spent to make socialism a dirty word.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2801387 26-Oct-2021 14:19

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But if their divisive language is called out, suddenly that's 'cancel culture'.

These insults work better in the usa where much effort has been spent to make socialism a dirty word.

Yes, like someone's comments today about Sir Dave Dobbyn being "cancelled" because he closed his Twitter account.

If you post something and others disagree, closing your Twitter account because you don't want to give your reasons in an argument is not "cancel", it's playing the victim. But hey, "I have been cancelled"...

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#2801443 26-Oct-2021 16:29

On a different note, take this for example:

"There are increased calls for Northland to return to alert level 3 following the announcement of two new additional Covid-19 cases yesterday. The push to move back up the levels comes predominantly from Iwi and community leaders, concerned with the number of Covid-19 cases in the region."

If we were to believe some party leaders the community doesn't want lockdowns. But it seems they want it. I wonder if there would be a campaign by any party to undermine the current government efforts to bring the pandemic outbreaks to its heel.

But wait... "National's health spokesman Dr Shane Reti has been vocal in his concerns about staying in level 2, saying the move to level 3 would ensure people, particularly Māori, remained safe."

National was worried about business during lockdown. Now they want lockdown. Come on. Any bets that if a Level 3 happened the party leader would complain?

Calls for Northland to return to alert level 3 - NZ Herald

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#2801628 26-Oct-2021 21:08

What a stupid metaphor. People like using stupid metaphors and hyperbole.

A former TV and radio presenter has backed away from her earlier claim that Mother Earth created an earthquake out of displeasure with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's Covid management plan.

Former Breakfast, Good Morning and RNZ presenter Liz Gunn now says she was only using a metaphor.

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#2801652 26-Oct-2021 22:00

As I said previously, she's a former washed-up presenter who hasn't worked in the media since 2016, so she's probably just trying to stay relevant.

"Using a metaphor", what kind of bs is that? How is that even remotely "a metaphor"? Spare me.

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#2801689 27-Oct-2021 07:10

She tried to use the same "I am just using a hyperbole" excuse but didn't want to use the same word. Ended up using the wrong word. If I say what I think of this kind of stupidity, right supporters will say I am trying to "cancel" her.

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#2809639 8-Nov-2021 22:49

I see Brian Tamaki is out to cause more disruption and dissention tomorrow. The Freedom and Rights Coalition is a front for BT and the Destiny church. The website URL I think is owned by one of his destiny hierachy. BT is distanced from the website but he does get a mention. www.tfrc.org.nz

Freedoms and Rights, Yeah Right!!!! I can feel a Tui ad coming on.

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#2809645 8-Nov-2021 23:04

Technofreak: I see Brian Tamaki is out to cause more disruption and dissention tomorrow. The Freedom and Rights Coalition is a front for BT and the Destiny church. The website URL I think is owned by one of his destiny hierachy. BT is distanced from the website but he does get a mention. www.tfrc.org.nz

Freedoms and Rights, Yeah Right!!!! I can feel a Tui ad coming on.

It’s more than just Tamaki. Peter Mortlock from the City Impact Church is also one of muppets involved.

Evangelical Christians aren’t doing themselves any favours in appearing to be reasonable people. David Farrier has done some excellent and typically idiosyncratic reporting on this.

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#2810240 10-Nov-2021 10:12

"Meanwhile, back in the States" ...

The Washington Post - Opinion: MAGA denialism on covid-19 is killing its adherents

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Conservatives who wallow in right-wing media consume a nonstop diet of covid-19 denial and vaccine skepticism, so it should come as no surprise that they are much more likely to believe disinformation.

As a result, they are dying in greater numbers than their better-informed, Democratic neighbors, friends and colleagues.

The Kaiser Family Foundation surveyed Americans on eight pieces of disinformation about covid-19 (e.g., the government is lying about the fatalities, vaccines cause infertility).

Its poll found, “Nearly half (46%) of Republicans compared to just 14% of Democrats believe or are unsure about four or more misstatements about COVID-19.”

In addition: “84% of Republicans believe or are unsure whether the government is exaggerating the number of COVID-19 deaths by including deaths due to other causes, compared to just one third of Democrats.” ...

"Belief in misinformation is higher among those who say they trust COVID-19 information from conservative news sources, with nearly four in ten of those who trust Fox News (36%) and One America News (37%) and nearly half (46%) of those who trust Newsmax for such information saying they have heard at least four of the falsehoods tested in the survey and either believe them to be true or are unsure if they’re true or false.”

The results are tragic. ...

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