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#2972207 23-Sep-2022 17:23

If Putin wants to increase Russia's declining birthrate and repopulate Ukraine with more Russians, dead Russians sire no children.

The Hill: What Putin’s war mobilization decree says and doesn’t say

..The decree does state that service members can be dismissed for age, health reasons or imprisoned.

The mobilization takes effect on Wednesday, but it doesn’t explicitly define when the mobilization period will end....

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#2972208 23-Sep-2022 17:26

If all Russians who approve of the Ukraine invasion and wave paper flags were to be drafted, there would be no need to prepare a "secret" law by night and fog, would there? It is difficult to understand why a reasonably clear-thinking person, without any existing threat to his homeland, should give his life for an unasked-for raid on Ukraine by a moneyed elite.

There is a difference between a giant being seriously attacked by a dwarf and the giant just thinking he could eat a dwarf for breakfast. For some Russians, the Rubel drops kopekwise.

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#2972331 23-Sep-2022 22:17

In Russia's Yuzhno-Kurilsk, drunken mobilised would-be soldiers are already fighting each other.
Morale through the roof.
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1573230158563233794

Maybe Japan should check the Kuril Islands to see if anyone is left.

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#2972339 23-Sep-2022 23:15

Tinkerisk:
prepare a "secret" law by night and fog, would there?

I see what you did there :-).

(The term "nacht und nebel" / night and fog, was used in Nazi Germany for certain actions undertaken by the SD and Gestapo).

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#2972353 24-Sep-2022 00:48

neb:
Tinkerisk:

prepare a "secret" law by night and fog, would there?

I see what you did there :-). (The term "nacht und nebel" / night and fog, was used in Nazi Germany for certain actions undertaken by the SD and Gestapo).

Really, now I'm completely lost. Who are the Nazis now? The Ukrainians, the Russians, us or maybe you? ;-)

Nazi is a short word for a supporter of National Socialism 1930-1945. After that it is neo-Nazis.

All Germans who were not followers in those times were not Nazis, just like nowadays not all Americans are/were Trump followers. When the regime became widespread, it was too late for them and everything dissenting was suppressed (there were also plenty of German oppositionists who went into the extermination machine of the Nazis).

So the term is completely weird in today's use.

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#2972810 25-Sep-2022 21:15

Sergei Elkin's latest cartoon in response to the mobilisation, he used to be the political cartoonist for the Moscow Times but fled Russia after Putin's war started:

The text says, roughly, "What else do I need to do for you lot to finally revolt?".

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#2973253 26-Sep-2022 21:15

Its a dumpster fire of a dumpster fire.

Russians send mobilised men with no training to contact line
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/25/7369019/

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She said that the training lasted only one day. On Sunday, 25 September, her husband told her that he was being sent to the front. "One thousand of them [are being sent to the front]. There wasn’t even a medical exam," she added.
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Apparently authorities in Volvagrad sent a 63 year old diabetic ex-military staffer despite poor health and cerabal issues.

Then.

Drafted Russian Man Fires Rifle In a Draft Center, Killing the Commander. Irkutsk Region of Russia
https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/09/26/news/drafted-russian-man-fires-rifle-in-a-draft-center-killing-the-commander-irkutsk-region-of-russia/7109.html

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Video of a Russian man opening fire and killing the military commandant in a draft centre in the city of Úst-Ilimsk in Irkutsk region. The military commandant was the head of the local draft committee. The shooting occurred Monday afternoon, Irkutsk time.

The head of the Ust-Ilimsk military registration and enlistment office was shot at the workplace, now he is in intensive care. According to eyewitnesses, the shooter said: "No one will fight, now we will all go home."
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#2973609 27-Sep-2022 16:22

Press release:

Further sanctions are being imposed on members of President Putin’s inner circle and other representatives of the Russian political elite, as part of the Governments ongoing response to the war in Ukraine, says Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta.

“Ukraine has been clear that the most important action we can take to help them are our ongoing sanctions and supporting them through the conflict, as we continue to do,” Nanaia Mahuta said.

“By targeting these individuals we join global efforts in placing pressure on Putin and those supporting his illegal war in Ukraine.

“Aotearoa New Zealand first moved against powerful and wealthy individuals in Russia with sanctions on political elites in March and May of this year. Today’s sanctions target 19 additional members of Putin’s inner circle who support the illegal invasion of Ukraine and who have been rewarded for their loyalty with wealth and influence.

“Those sanctioned today include Federal Ministers, non-permanent members of Russia’s Security Council, relatives of Putin, and Ramzan Kadyrov, the President of the Chechen Republic, part of the Russian Federation.

“These individuals are part of a network of influence around Putin and have used their positions to threaten Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

“Russia’s illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine has already caused thousands of deaths, a massive humanitarian crisis and untold suffering. Any steps by Russia that risk a further escalation of the war in Ukraine are reckless and irresponsible.

“Russia’s so-called “referenda” in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine constitute a new and additional act of aggression and a breach of fundamental rules of international law. Aotearoa New Zealand strongly condemns Russia’s actions.

“Since the passing of the Russia Sanctions Act in March, Aotearoa New Zealand has imposed sanctions on over 1000 individuals and entities, a key part of our efforts to hold Russia accountable and support Ukraine,” Nanaia Mahuta said.

The Russia Sanctions Act allows for a wide range of measures on these individuals and others, including travel bans, asset freezes, prohibitions on financial dealings and bans on ships or aircraft entering New Zealand.

More information about sanctions, travel bans, and export controls against Russia; as well as humanitarian, military, and legal support to Ukraine can be found on the MFAT site here.

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#2973934 28-Sep-2022 07:46

Explosions have been detected in the Baltic Sea, damaging Nord stream 1 and 2 simultaneously.

Even if the political will was there gas cannot be supplied now. Large amounts of methane going into atmosphere.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63044747

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#2973972 28-Sep-2022 09:23

The pipelines were filled with gas, but it was never imported. The necessary permit for this has been on hold since February.

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#2974953 29-Sep-2022 17:42

Russian soldiers told they are only given uniforms and armor. No sleeping bags, no medicine, not even tourniquets. Nurse says ask girlfirnds and wives for tampons, to stop beleding.

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Newly mobilized Russians are told what they need to take to the war.

(English subtitles)

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#2974959 29-Sep-2022 17:56

kingdragonfly: Russian soldiers told they are only given uniforms and armor. No sleeping bags, no medicine, not even tourniquets. Nurse says ask girlfirnds and wives for tampons, to stop beleding.

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Newly mobilized Russians are told what they need to take to the war.

(English subtitles)

Twitter video

What a farce. China, who we all love or don't love, has a least grown from the 1970'e. Credit to them despite the many issues of corruption and racism. Russia, already a super power (then) could rise again to be a super power (military and economically), but they didnt. They are now a joke. The pity is that the whole population is a joke even though its caused by ONE idiot.

My prediction is that Russia will prevail, be a solid country, using its natural resources to take its citizens out of a borderline third world country. Obviously under a new modern regime.

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#2974964 29-Sep-2022 18:08

The Hardliner's Dilemma: The Hidden Threat to Putin's Regime

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#2975099 30-Sep-2022 00:15

kingdragonfly: Russian soldiers told they are only given uniforms and armor. No sleeping bags, no medicine, not even tourniquets. Nurse says ask girlfirnds and wives for tampons, to stop beleding.

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Newly mobilized Russians are told what they need to take to the war.

(English subtitles)

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This is like February 1917 all over again. At a certain point the troops simply decided that mutiny was an easier way forward than what their rulers had set them up for.

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#2975109 30-Sep-2022 02:47

neb:
kingdragonfly: Russian soldiers told they are only given uniforms and armor. No sleeping bags, no medicine, not even tourniquets. Nurse says ask girlfirnds and wives for tampons, to stop beleding.

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Newly mobilized Russians are told what they need to take to the war.

(English subtitles)

Twitter video
This is like February 1917 all over again. At a certain point the troops simply decided that mutiny was an easier way forward than what their rulers had set them up for.

If you're referring to the February Revolution - deserting soldiers joined the public in uprising against the monarchy. That's not mutiny, it's a revolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution

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