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#2883963 9-Mar-2022 19:27

Batman:

A number of your comments on this topic have been flippant. Please remember there are lives in the balance and this is not a joke.

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#2883980 9-Mar-2022 19:32

i'm not sure if it's a joke, i thought they really did have bioweapons research facilities?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/us-concerned-russia-wants-to-seize-ukraine-bio-research/articleshow/90092252.cms

edit - the more i google the more it says it is disinformation. now i'm not sure

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#2883985 9-Mar-2022 19:42

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i'm not sure if it's a joke, i thought they really did have bioweapons research facilities?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/us-concerned-russia-wants-to-seize-ukraine-bio-research/articleshow/90092252.cms

edit - the more i google the more it says it is disinformation. now i'm not sure

You have a tendency to post things without citing references, and sometimes going off the deep end a little. Maybe just pause and think about the item you are pushing along before breathlessly clicking.

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#2883989 9-Mar-2022 19:48

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i'm not sure if it's a joke, i thought they really did have bioweapons research facilities?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/us-concerned-russia-wants-to-seize-ukraine-bio-research/articleshow/90092252.cms

edit - the more i google the more it says it is disinformation. now i'm not sure

Your source says "...prevent Russian forces from seizing biological research material amid concern governments or unscrupulous actors might try to use such items to create bioweapons."

Read it again. It is not "bioweapons". The source is worried that those facilities could be used by Bad People (TM) to make bioweapons. They don't say/claim the facilities make bioweapons.

You are reading something but posting something else.

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#2883993 9-Mar-2022 20:04

Yeh there is a bit of stuff going on as India has long close ties to Russia.
Modi values this relationship with Putin, regular talks, visits, trade, arms deals,
and abstention from UN vote.

The secret lab is in Russia, and I think someone online was stoking up that Russia with Bioweapons.
Kinda mix and match, Nukes, Bioweapons and Chemical Weapons, a bit of this a bit of that.

Sverdlovsk anthrax leak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlovsk_anthrax_leak

The picturesque town of Yekaterinburg , formerly known as Sverdlovsk,
apparently dubbed 2nd capital of Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekaterinburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program#:~:text=The%20Soviet%20Union%20covertly%20operated%20the%20world%27s%20largest%2C,has%20possibly%20been%20continued%20by%20Russia%20after%20that.

So naturally the disinformation lot picked up on this to turn it into a Ukraine thing like the crap about Ukraine making dirty bombs.
https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us-has-bioweapons-ukraine-1685844

Noting NZ Antivax unsocial media is now being used to turn them into and Army for Putin.
I expect its all over the place.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-anti-vaxxers-fall-for-tsunami-of-russian-disinformation

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#2884002 9-Mar-2022 20:33

my apologies i didn't realise it turned out so bad, will be more careful

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#2884006 9-Mar-2022 20:37

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China offers to mediate.

this is how i read this.

Putin realises everything he's doing is turning to crap.

picks up the phone - hey bff, can you get me out of this sheet storm? there is only one condition: i need to come out of this without losing any pride. and you will be history's greatest hero.

Xi - anything for you buddy

"China offers to mediate"

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#2884008 9-Mar-2022 20:42

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Scotdownunder:

At a minimum, the western IFF systems would have to be replaced by the original (Russian) units. I wonder if the original units are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, apart from those taken apart by western intelligence agencies, or Ukraine have spares to fit.

However, it Looks like the US are getting cold feet.

Pentagon says flying them into UKR airspace is a problem , I dont see how. UKR pilot flies from Poland or Germany to UKR

Surprise move': U.S. stunned by Poland's fighter jet offer

In a statement posted to its website, the Polish foreign ministry offered to send all of its Russian-made MiG-29 fighter jets “immediately and free of charge” to the U.S. air base in Ramstein, Germany.

A statement by Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby reflected that deep concern late Tuesday, saying “we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” and it is “simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it.”

Kirby signaled the logistics were problematic: refitting the aircraft to allow non-NATO Ukrainian pilots to fly them, along with “the prospect of fighter jets … departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace that is contested with Russia over Ukraine raises serious concerns for the entire NATO alliance,” he said.

Ramstein is a NATO base.

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#2884009 9-Mar-2022 20:44

meanwhile ... https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/clusterfk-nine-of-putins-commanders-killed-in-ukraine/news-story/31d18dbd68e05910ab01301a113ac5f7

Nine of Vladimir Putin’s military commanders have now been killed in Ukraine, with one Kremlin official calling the invasion a “clusterf..k”.

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#2884020 9-Mar-2022 21:01

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meanwhile ... https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/clusterfk-nine-of-putins-commanders-killed-in-ukraine/news-story/31d18dbd68e05910ab01301a113ac5f7

Nine of Vladimir Putin’s military commanders have now been killed in Ukraine, with one Kremlin official calling the invasion a “clusterf..k”.

Your sources are dubious at best. The original report was published by The Sun, a British tabloid newspaper.

Nine of Vladimir Putin’s military commanders have now been killed in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

They are among the 12,000 Russian troops Ukraine now claims it has killed, as one Kremlin official has reportedly described the campaign to subdue its neighbour as a “clusterf__k”, reports The Sun.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17881500/vladimir-putin-nine-commanders-killed-battle/

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#2884036 9-Mar-2022 22:22

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Apparently it might be off again, or at least delayed. again

That's not surprising. A Mig-29 isn't like an Android phone where you factory reset it and hand it over to a new owner, those things have had ~30 years of avionics upgrades that have taken them further and further from what they were originally. That means they both won't be anything like what Ukrainian pilots are used to flying and will have avionics on board that you don't want to have falling into the hands of Russia if one is shot down. So it seems more like a gesture of solidarity, or more cynically a cheap way to dump Russian and acquire American aircraft.

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#2884039 9-Mar-2022 22:26

Rikkitic:
How does one acquire those lovely blue and yellow ribbons worn by Ukrainian politicians? s it permitted for non-Ukrainians to wear them as a sign of support?

I would imagine the quickest/easiest way to get them is to go to Spotlight and pin two ribbons of the appropriate colour together. And I can't imagine anyone being upset by someone wearing them, it's no different from wearing a poppy or pink ribbon.

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#2884044 9-Mar-2022 22:32

K8Toledo:
Ramstein is a NATO base.

Ramstein is a band.

Oh, yeah, and some piddly airstrip somewhere that stole their name.

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#2884047 9-Mar-2022 22:36

K8Toledo:
Your sources are dubious at best. The original report was published by The Sun, a British tabloid newspaper.

The Guardian puts it at two, which is a lot more credible.

Even then, that's a significant loss. It was things like this, and when body bags started coming home in large numbers, that catalysed the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

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#2884062 10-Mar-2022 00:23

neb:
K8Toledo:

Ramstein is a NATO base.

Ramstein is a band. Oh, yeah, and some piddly airstrip somewhere that stole their name.

Ramstein is an airbase, Rammstein is a band.

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