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#2899065 9-Apr-2022 15:08

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The Washington Post - Nine ways Russia botched its invasion of Ukraine

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Covered on Stuff: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300562484/nine-ways-russia-botched-its-invasion-of-ukraine

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#2899172 9-Apr-2022 19:49

The thing that has surprised me is the number of US western voices promoting Russian disinformation.
Seems that Putin has managed to unite the western extreme left with the extreme right.
Much like the various anti vax, anti mask etc crowds had new agers to neo-Nazis rubbing shoulders.

The US Religious Right’s love-affair with Putin now looks positively grotesque
At some point they will have to ask: who is really most responsible for promoting nihilism, fascism and downright evil?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/09/us-religious-rights-love-affair-putin-now-looks-positively-grotesque/

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They denounce the West as a civilisation that has succumbed to degeneracy and nihilism and, until recently, they glorified Vladimir Putin as a “lion of Christianity”. The US Religious Right has long toyed with the idea that Mr Putin was sent by God to turn the tide against “globohomo” liberals who are corrupting the world.

Europe’s own Right-wing, like Hungary’s Viktor Orban and France’s Eric Zemmour, has dabbled in similar ideas. But this love affair between Russia’s aspiring tsar and the West’s conservatives was always doomed. Post-Bucha, it is beginning to look positively grotesque.
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Putin with Patriarch Kirill of Moscow

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#2899173 9-Apr-2022 19:50

A regretful UK perspective ...

The Guardian - Russia can only afford its war in Ukraine because Britain helped raise the cash

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Boris Johnson is congratulating himself on doing so much to help Ukraine, but Britain is like a doctor treating a patient’s symptoms after causing the infection in the first place. ...

The Kremlin is solely to blame for the horror it is inflicting on the Ukrainians, but its ability to wage war derives from the wealth it has accumulated.

And that is something we share responsibility for, and something we should address as urgently as we are providing Kyiv with missiles to destroy Russian armoured vehicles.

For far too long, Britain welcomed the Kremlin’s companies and oligarchs and allowed them to raise funds on our financial markets.

Our lawyers defended their interests, our accountants filed their accounts and our shell companies protected their assets.

Our professionals may have dropped their oligarch clients in the past six weeks, but the damage had already been done: the Russian state would have nothing like the wealth it has now, and would thus not be able to wage this war, without the assistance they provided. ...

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#2899181 9-Apr-2022 20:11

DW: Germany intercepted Russian troop calls on atrocities in Ukraine: report

...The findings are believed to include radio transmissions that match the locations of bodies found along the main road, according to the magazine's report.

Der Spiegel said that in one intercept, a soldier allegedly described to his colleagues shooting someone off their bicycle. A body was photographed lying next to a bicycle.

...Images of bodies lying on the road in Bucha have shocked the world....

According to local officials, more than 300 people were killed by Russian forces in Bucha, including 50 who were executed.

Russia has denied committing atrocities in Bucha, claiming without evidence that they were "staged" by Ukraine. Several groups have rebutted the Russian claims.

...an analysis of noncommercial satellite images showed victims in Bucha had been lying on a road since at least March 10.

"Credible evidence shows that Russian armed and security forces were deployed in the area from March 7 up to and including March 30. They were also engaged in interrogation of prisoners who were subsequently executed. These are the findings we have," Hebestreit said.
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#2899409 10-Apr-2022 13:35

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A regretful UK perspective ...

The Guardian - Russia can only afford its war in Ukraine because Britain helped raise the cash

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Yes and meanwhile the UK sells billions in armaments to the Saudi's who have and continue to cause more civilian deaths in Yemen than Russia has in Ukraine (so far) but no righteous indignation over what the Saudi's do. Nothing like double standards where convenient

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#2899552 10-Apr-2022 17:32

Famous atheist Christopher Hitchens died in 2011. This clip is from 2005.

He mentions George W. Bush in 2002 , whose speech writer coined the phrase the "Axis of evil." The speech didn't mention Russia but it was implied.

Christopher Hitchens warns about Vladimir Putin

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These are segments from Hitch's speech "Axis of Evil" given on March 8th, 2005 at the University of Western Ontario.

The speech mainly focused on the dictatorships of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.

In these clips however, the Russian regime, ruled by Vladimir Putin (then, and still now), is mentioned.

The similarities between these small, tribal, theocratic regimes and that of Putin's Russia is hauntingly similar.

Considering this speech was also over a decade ago, Hitch's comments on Putin and Russian indignation are strikingly prophetic.

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#2899554 10-Apr-2022 17:38

Ukraine small taste of what's to come from Putin: Bill Browder

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Bill Browder, CEO of Hermitage Capital, Head of Global Magnitsky Justice campaign and author, talks with Financial Post's Larysa Harapyn about his new book 'Freezing Order' and how Ukraine is just a small taste of what's to come from Russia's Vladimir Putin.

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#2899562 10-Apr-2022 18:00

kingdragonfly: Famous atheist Christopher Hitchens died in 2011. This clip is from 2005.

He mentions George W. Bush in 2002 , whose speech writer coined the phrase the "Axis of evil." The speech didn't mention Russia but it was implied.

Christopher Hitchens warns about Vladimir Putin

Fallopium Films

These are segments from Hitch's speech "Axis of Evil" given on March 8th, 2005 at the University of Western Ontario.

The speech mainly focused on the dictatorships of Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.

In these clips however, the Russian regime, ruled by Vladimir Putin (then, and still now), is mentioned.

The similarities between these small, tribal, theocratic regimes and that of Putin's Russia is hauntingly similar.

Considering this speech was also over a decade ago, Hitch's comments on Putin and Russian indignation are strikingly prophetic.

Damn I miss the Hitch. There is a reason the word 'Hitchslap' became part of the popular lexicon.

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#2899569 10-Apr-2022 18:30

Marine Le Pen: ‘Putin could become ally to France again’

https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/Marine-Le-Pen-says-on-TV-Russia-could-become-ally-to-France-again

Getting to within 2% of Macron in polling for first round ? Voting starts late tonight NZ time.

Wow, Just Wow.

Is it culturally necessary for French to be so contrarian ?

Macron is not going to be taking many risks till the whole election cycle is over, so great timing for Putin.

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#2899581 10-Apr-2022 18:56

Financial Times: A superyacht is a terrible asset

.There are only about a hundred superyachts in total. And, according to a report by The Superyacht Group, 18 are owned by Russians. In the US, there is a gigayacht for every 34 billionaires on the Forbes list. In the UK, there’s one for every 19. But in Russia, there’s a leviathan for every seven billionaires. For some reason, wealthy Russians seem to prefer the biggest boats.

The problem with size, as any yachtie will immediately tell you if you are foolish enough to stand near them, is that costs do not increase in neat proportion to waterline.

Right now the Dilbar, a 157-metre beast, is stuck in a dry dock in Hamburg, covered to the top of its radar dome in scaffolding. According to the US Treasury department, Dilbar belongs to Alisher Usmanov, who holds interests in metals and telecommunications, and is close to Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president. Usmanov is under sanction by both the US and the EU. It is unfortunate for him that his boat happened to be on hard ground in Germany when sanctions were imposed, but it is also not surprising.
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Just as with the gigayacht builders, skippers and managers come from a short list of stable, liberal, boat-y democracies, friendly to the US and the EU. Climb up to the bridge, and you might hear a Kiwi talking.

According to Marine Traffic, a company that tracks identifier signals from ships at sea, the last signalled position of the 141-metre yacht Nord was off Singapore on March 22, heading north-east. Normally, ships broadcast a destination, but Nord has not signalled where it is going. It is steaming at 18 knots, its maximum speed.

Nord, launched last year by Lürssen, has been widely reported to belong to Alexei Mordashov, a steel magnate under sanction by the EU. It could be heading to a place where it is welcome, but it will have a hard time finding a place where it can be cared for. ...

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#2899588 10-Apr-2022 19:26

This is excellent

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300562778/ukraine-conflict-boris-johnson-visits-zelenskyy-in-kyiv

And others going into Ukraine to add support. EU membership to be fast tracked

""Russia will descend into economic, financial and technological decay, while Ukraine is marching towards the European future. This is what I see," von der Leyen said. She handed Zelenskyy a questionnaire and paperwork needed to start the application and predicted that it would "not as usual be a matter of years … but I think a matter of weeks" to initiate the process of joining the bloc."

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#2899860 11-Apr-2022 14:55

Count Chocula doesn't obviously think much of us, we're not worth their time.

RNZ: Ukraine: MPs debate summonsing Russian ambassador before NZ Parliament

MPs are debating whether to haul the Russian ambassador before them for questioning, after he twice rebuffed their requests.

Such a step would be extraordinary - Parliament only used its power to summons a person once in the 20th century.

The ambassador, Georgii Zuev, has diplomatic immunity, which means he is not obliged to give evidence as a witness.

But RNZ understands the Foreign Affairs Select Committee is investigating if it can summons him.

The select committee has twice written to the ambassador asking him to front, so MPs can ask questions about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Similar requests were made to the Ukrainian and European Union ambassadors. They both accepted the invitations and spoke to the select committee about the invasion last month.
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#2899955 11-Apr-2022 17:01

Another reason to feel sorry for the world's youth

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: The day after the Ukraine war

Sooner, or later, the war in Ukraine will end. We all hope that it will not conclude with a strategic nuclear exchange like the 1983 made-for-TV movie, The Day After. Assuming it does not, the United States will be confronted with the question of how it should proceed to construct a stable relationship with Russia. The alternative, greater instability, would bring unacceptable risk. Furthermore, quietly floated proposals for enhanced stability may help end the war sooner.

Strident voices are already floating the idea of doubling the US defense budget and increasing our reliance on nuclear weapons. Hopefully, instead we will respond as in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis and of the war scare of 1983, when a NATO military exercise may have provoked Soviet leadership to consider a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the United States.
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#2899974 11-Apr-2022 17:59

Anyone who hasn't seen The Day After should.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2899975 11-Apr-2022 18:04

Rikkitic:

Anyone who hasn't seen The Day After should.

Im waiting for The Day After 2, when Russia is taken over, a government is installed that works for the people. I thought that's what governments do, but not always it seems

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