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#2934728 26-Jun-2022 21:39

Daynger:Simon Oconnor posted up on social media something about it being a great day for the US.

Today is not going well for him.

NZ Herald: Roe v Wade abortion ruling: National MP Simon O'Connor told to remove post

National Party leader Christopher Luxon says MP Simon O'Connor was asked to delete a social media post saying it was a "good day" after abortion rights in the US were curtailed because it "was causing distress and does not represent the position of the National Party."

O'Connor yesterday posted "today is a good day" on social media after the Supreme Court ruling overturning the Roe v Wade decision in the US – a step that means US states can ban abortion.

The post was later removed.

Luxon, whose personal views are also opposed to abortion, this morning confirmed O'Connor was asked to remove the post.
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#2934810 27-Jun-2022 11:42

Perhaps this will backfire on the Republicans. The fastest way to make abortion legal again in many states will be new state laws allowing them, which could mean many moderate voters swinging Democrat to get those laws passed. The same could happen on the federal level as well.

Unfortunately I suspect the Democrats will screw up any opportunity this could give them.

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#2934832 27-Jun-2022 12:47

Paul1977:

Perhaps this will backfire on the Republicans. The fastest way to make abortion legal again in many states will be new state laws allowing them, which could mean many moderate voters swinging Democrat to get those laws passed. The same could happen on the federal level as well.

I thought exactly the same thing when I heard of the decision. The right-wing have just handed the left-wing a cause to rally around, and for some it will be the only thing they consider when they decide who to vote for. More people are pro-abortion in the US than anti-abortion; as of 22nd May 2022 35% think it should be legal under any circumstance, 50% under certain circumstances, 13% illegal and 2% no opinion.

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#2934960 27-Jun-2022 16:35

The lawyer that argued the case for overturning Roe vs Wade was the Mississippi Attorney General.

Mississippi is the poorest state in the Union and has the highest infant mortality rate and number of children living in poverty.

Go figure.

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#2935027 27-Jun-2022 20:30

Next to Mississippi is Alabama.

In Alabama they say "Thank God for Mississippi, because it's the only state that keeps us off the bottom of 'the worst' lists",

What's no joke is Alabama , the 'Heart of Dixie" is completely surrounded by states which will the most draconian abortion laws, including literally legally equating an abortion with manslaughter.

So is you're a 17 year old girl from a poor family there's little chance you can get a safe abortion. Looking at the map, from Birmingham Alabama she's have to drive for 8 hours one way, or 850 KM, to get to a clinic.

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#2935578 28-Jun-2022 18:39

Isn't it odd that at least two prominent Labour party MP's have expressed their opinions on the US abortion law change without any "cross examination" from the media yet when a relatively unknown National MP expresses a contrary opinion the media are like a Rottweiler hounding him for his position on the issue, even to the extent of trying to stir things up to have him removed as MP. Bias? Much!!!

IMO what the law makers do in the US has nothing to do with us here. I think all of our politicians should have stayed quiet on this sensitive and controversial issue. I think Christopher Luxon's response is as much as any of them should have said on the about it.

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#2935636 28-Jun-2022 19:08

It is 100% clear where the Ardern government stands on this issue.

A hypothetical Luxon government led by a person who made a statement equating pregnancy termination with murder. Ok that's his view. Absolutely right for a journalist to ask a question about policy.

Luxon has made his policy decision 100% clear. I don't see a problem. Normal response to a topical event. Everyone is now clear where Luxon stands on the issue. These events look normal to me.

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#2935647 28-Jun-2022 19:30

i am not trying to start a pro vs anti debate but ...

this lady is a shocker!

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/heavily-pregnant-woman-writes-not-yet-a-human-across-her-belly-to-protest-supreme-court-decision/news-story/aff5ed48a10ba409bb7a46e42d7a27c1

“I am very pregnant – I am due tomorrow,” Ms Herring told NBC News.

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#2935652 28-Jun-2022 19:37

Mentioned very briefly New Zealand.

What Will Be The Punishment For Illegal Abortions? | How To Know If You Still Have Rights

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Stephen reacts to the Supreme Court ruling that overturned Roe v. Wade, and introduces a new way for women in the United States to find out what rights they still have

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#2935660 28-Jun-2022 20:16

i am not trying to start a pro vs anti debate but ... this lady is a shocker!

you should recognize pointless trolling when you see it..

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#2935801 29-Jun-2022 09:56

gzt:
i am not trying to start a pro vs anti debate but ... this lady is a shocker!

you should recognize pointless trolling when you see it..

Those sort of antics are counter productive as well. Very few Pro-Choice advocates are seriously trying to legalize late term abortions (except in very exceptional circumstances). That sort of thing just makes them look as callous as the Pro-Lifers say they are.

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#2936107 29-Jun-2022 19:25

Jodie Lee Ann Sweetin is known for her role as Stephanie Tanner in the ABC comedy series Full House.

E News: Jodie Sweetin Speaks Out After Being Shoved by LAPD at Abortion Rights Protest

..."I was walking and one of the officers just snatched my bag and tossed me forward," she recalled, insisting that she wasn't harmed, thanks to the help of her friends. "We took care of the situation. We didn't use that as an excuse to do anything further, we continued our march and we were out there probably another four or five hours marching downtown."

Jodie added that she isn't planning to press charges. And while the video may be shocking to watch, the Full House alum wants people to redirect their anger or concerns to the issue at hand. "Above all, I want to continue to not make this about me," she said, "and continue to bring the focus back to women's rights and also police brutality. If people are disturbed by what they saw, let me tell you, I've spent a lot of time protesting out in the streets and that is a very minor incident of police brutality."...

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#2936109 29-Jun-2022 19:38

NBC News: Louisiana and Utah trigger laws banning abortions temporarily blocked by courts

Judges in Louisiana and Utah on Monday temporarily blocked prohibitions on abortion in their states following last week's U.S. Supreme Court ruling that ends a national right to the procedure.

The high court on Friday overturned Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years had granted women the constitutional right to abortions. More than a dozen states set so-called trigger laws to take immediate effect banning or severely limiting abortions in the event Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Trigger laws were also being challenged in Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Mississippi and Texas.

A state judge in Louisiana issued a temporary restraining order Monday barring the state from enforcing its ban, leading to the immediate resumption of the procedure.

...Hours later, Utah Third District Judge Andrew Stone halted that state's trigger law effective immediately under a 14-day temporary restraining order...

"There is irreparable harm that has been shown," Stone said in granting the order. "Affected women are deprived of safe, local medical treatments to terminate pregnancies."...

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#2937355 1-Jul-2022 18:37

Vanity Fair: After striking down roe, Supreme Court justice threatens to go after contraception, same-sex marriage, and bring back sodomy laws

...In a terrifying concurring opinion to Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health, the case the court used as a pretext to overturn Roe, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that now that the court’s conservative goon squad has done away with the national right to an abortion, it should think about scrapping the rulings that protect contraception, same-sex marriage, and same-sex sexual activity. Arguing that all decisions that previously fell under “due process precedents”—a concept he claims is an “oxymoron” that “lack[s] any basis in the Constitution”—are bunk, Thomas writes: “For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including

the landmark decision in which the court said that the Constitution protects the right of married couples to buy and use contraception.
struck down a Texas sodomy law, made same-sex sexual activity legal.
a case where same-sex couples have the legal right to marry.

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#2937359 1-Jul-2022 19:14

No such right in the constitution of the United States'?

Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Imo this covers the three cases above adequately. No need for amendments there.

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