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1949 posts

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#3093065 21-Jun-2023 15:29

GV27:

So long Michael Wood.

I thought Stuart Nash was the gift that kept on giving but it appears that its a systemic problem.

Does this mean that Light Rail is well and truly dead? [Fingers crossed]

Sixth Labour Government - "Vision without Execution is just Hallucination"

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Bluntj

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#3093074 21-Jun-2023 15:58

johno1234:

GV27:

So long Michael Wood.

Possibly the most inexplicable own goal in NZ political history.

I don't understand this at all. Clearly the guy has some kind of impediment or has criminal tendencies.

Time for an early election.

johno1234

1332 posts

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#3093076 21-Jun-2023 16:01

Chippie must be tearing his hair out.

GV27

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#3093285 22-Jun-2023 06:07

ockel:

I thought Stuart Nash was the gift that kept on giving but it appears that its a systemic problem.

Does this mean that Light Rail is well and truly dead? [Fingers crossed]

I really hope so. It's now at the point where the people who legitimately think we need proper light rail don't want this version of it, and the people who don't want anything at all are just getting more and more reason to shoot it down.

The 2017 Labour government was the worst thing to happen to rapid transit in this country.

floydbloke

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#3093302 22-Jun-2023 07:47

GV27:

...

The 2017 Labour government was the worst thing to happen to rapid transit and water infrastructure and health and housing and education and crime/justice and social harmony in this country.

Fixed.

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ockel

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#3095180 26-Jun-2023 19:31

It must be an election year with confirmation of another PGF (or PGF reset) style debacle in Ruapehu Alpine Lifts.

Not content with loaning $10m for the SkyWaka in 2018 and the additional $5m loan to assist during COVID plus the $8m bridging finance in late 2022 to avoid liquidation (how'd that work out?) now an additional $5m is being flushed down the gurgler for a single business enterprise. One would imagine the business case has been rigorously tested (as per all other PGF style applications) but surely good money after bad. [BTW - Central North Island peoples - vote for Labour, like Northlanders should vote for the PGF czar given its dispropotionate share of funding, or Defence personnel - vote for the now ex-MP Defence Minister cos you wont get a better budget share in the future*]

In other news.... despite it being only 6 weeks after the budget Universities are going to get extra funding. Where did that money suddenly come from - maybe Vic wont have to close its secondary school teaching course or ECE diploma. Wasnt a priority 6 weeks ago (or over the last 5 years) but with the vote starting to drop away...... Voila.

*"In fact, to be perfectly honest, when I look at the polling results of my political party New Zealand First, then the veterans, the defence base, you guys haven't supported us ... the fact we only get 7 per cent of the vote tells me that.""

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johno1234

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#3095191 26-Jun-2023 21:19

It’s only money. The cool thing about being a government is you can always raise some more!

Well, that’s hope this one behaves.

johno1234

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#3095235 27-Jun-2023 07:42

Chippie taking a second Boeing 757 as a spare on his trip to China in case the first one breaks down.

How about just flying commercial? Or charter a reliable aircraft?

No. In a climate emergency that rates converting productive farms to forest, making farmers and builders to pay extra for their utes and telling the lumpenproletariat such as you and I to use the bus instead our cars, our ruling class sees fit to fly a spare jet to the Philippines just in case it is needed.

Nuclear grade hypocrisy.

Strange how the MSM has made a lot more noise about Luzon buying a Tesla, isn’t it?

GV27

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#3095238 27-Jun-2023 07:57

ockel:

It must be an election year with confirmation of another PGF (or PGF reset) style debacle in Ruapehu Alpine Lifts.

Not content with loaning $10m for the SkyWaka in 2018 and the additional $5m loan to assist during COVID plus the $8m bridging finance in late 2022 to avoid liquidation (how'd that work out?) now an additional $5m is being flushed down the gurgler for a single business enterprise. One would imagine the business case has been rigorously tested (as per all other PGF style applications) but surely good money after bad. [BTW - Central North Island peoples - vote for Labour, like Northlanders should vote for the PGF czar given its dispropotionate share of funding, or Defence personnel - vote for the now ex-MP Defence Minister cos you wont get a better budget share in the future*]

The SkyWaka was a terrible business decision. The break even point was insane. It was never going to be worth doing.

Quite how RAL got into a state where it owed $45m should be a subject of some serious introspection. There is an awkward question about the future of any commercial enterprise on the mountain which I suspect the government does not want to have in an election year, given the overtures towards co-governance already with months to go. So that may be the reason they've tipped a small amount in now, but the reality is the region is hugely dependent on it and it has a ripple effect out to Taupo and beyond.

sen8or

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#3095240 27-Jun-2023 08:06

johno1234: Chippie taking a second Boeing 757 as a spare on his trip to China in case the first one breaks down.

How about just flying commercial? Or charter a reliable aircraft?

No. In a climate emergency that rates converting productive farms to forest, making farmers and builders to pay extra for their utes and telling the lumpenproletariat such as you and I to use the bus instead our cars, our ruling class sees fit to fly a spare jet to the Philippines just in case it is needed.

Nuclear grade hypocrisy.

Strange how the MSM has made a lot more noise about Luzon buying a Tesla, isn’t it?

Rules for thee and not for me seem to apply

Technofreak

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#3095244 27-Jun-2023 08:27

johno1234: Chippie taking a second Boeing 757 as a spare on his trip to China in case the first one breaks down.

How about just flying commercial? Or charter a reliable aircraft?

No. In a climate emergency that rates converting productive farms to forest, making farmers and builders to pay extra for their utes and telling the lumpenproletariat such as you and I to use the bus instead our cars, our ruling class sees fit to fly a spare jet to the Philippines just in case it is needed.

Nuclear grade hypocrisy.

Strange how the MSM has made a lot more noise about Luzon buying a Tesla, isn’t it?

I think there's quite a few questions around the way our media have presented a lot of "news" during and since Covid. Media are always accused of bias one way or another but with the way much of the coverage has been presented I'd like to know what strings were attached to the money the government gave to the media during Covid.

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johno1234

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#3095252 27-Jun-2023 09:23

Technofreak:

johno1234: Chippie taking a second Boeing 757 as a spare on his trip to China in case the first one breaks down.

How about just flying commercial? Or charter a reliable aircraft?

No. In a climate emergency that rates converting productive farms to forest, making farmers and builders to pay extra for their utes and telling the lumpenproletariat such as you and I to use the bus instead our cars, our ruling class sees fit to fly a spare jet to the Philippines just in case it is needed.

Nuclear grade hypocrisy.

Strange how the MSM has made a lot more noise about Luzon buying a Tesla, isn’t it?

I think there's quite a few questions around the way our media have presented a lot of "news" during and since Covid. Media are always accused of bias one way or another but with the way much of the coverage has been presented I'd like to know what strings were attached to the money the government gave to the media during Covid.

As I understand it, the only strings attached is that the material has to be Tiriti appropriate (or something to that effect).

The bigger problem is that you have one party that has a policy of paying money to the media and another party that does not, and the support that gives to a perception that the media is biased.

GV27

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#3095358 27-Jun-2023 11:25

johno1234:

As I understand it, the only strings attached is that the material has to be Tiriti appropriate (or something to that effect).

The bigger problem is that you have one party that has a policy of paying money to the media and another party that does not, and the support that gives to a perception that the media is biased.

I find sometimes it's the questions that don't get asked that are more telling.

I can remember a much greater amount of scrutiny over National's use of emergency accommodation from TVNZ and RNZ than I can recall hearing in the last few years.

sir1963

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#3095669 28-Jun-2023 07:09

ockel:

GV27:

So long Michael Wood.

I thought Stuart Nash was the gift that kept on giving but it appears that its a systemic problem.

Does this mean that Light Rail is well and truly dead? [Fingers crossed]

Having used rail extensively overseas I really do not understand why people do not like it.

tdgeek

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#3095671 28-Jun-2023 07:25

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300915556/pm-chris-hipkins-meets-with-chinese-president-xi-jinping

Seems to be going quite well

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