johno1234: 

Can’t be any worse than a plane full of journalists can it?

Arent they on the same 757 flight? Well, the 757 x 2 flight...

tdgeek:

johno1234: 

Can’t be any worse than a plane full of journalists can it?

Arent they on the same 757 flight? Well, the 757 x 2 flight...

A bit more time off for Kiri Allan, which I can't say I'm surprised at.

So the Dawn Raid apology was accompanied by no actual directive to stop doing them and was entirely performative. 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/government-says-sorry-for-recent-immigration-visits-likened-to-dawn-raids.html

Can we please stop pretending these 'historic apologies' and independent inquiries were anything but a ploy to head off bad news from a government incapable of executing its own policy agenda outside of horrifically expensive centralisation programs? 

I struggle with the concept of apologising for something someone else did before one was even born. It does indeed seem very much a virtue signal.

johno1234:

 

I struggle with the concept of apologising for something someone else did before one was even born. It does indeed seem very much a virtue signal.

 

If it matters to those it is directed at, what is the harm? It is just saying you accept someone else's hurt and you regret that they had to experience it. 

Rikkitic:

 

If it matters to those it is directed at, what is the harm? It is just saying you accept someone else's hurt and you regret that they had to experience it. 

 

Should probably actually make a point of not doing it anymore though. 

Rikkitic:

 

johno1234:

 

I struggle with the concept of apologising for something someone else did before one was even born. It does indeed seem very much a virtue signal.

 

 

If it matters to those it is directed at, what is the harm? It is just saying you accept someone else's hurt and you regret that they had to experience it. 

 

It is just that I feel one would apologise for the harm one has done, not the harm someone else has done. To apologise for someone else's harm is hollow.

It would be more appropriate to do exactly as you say - acknowledge that harm has been done and empathise, rather to apologise. An apology implies fault. It feels like a groveling virtue signal.

GV27:

 

Rikkitic:

 

If it matters to those it is directed at, what is the harm? It is just saying you accept someone else's hurt and you regret that they had to experience it. 

 

 

Should probably actually make a point of not doing it anymore though. 

 

Exactly. Makes the so-called apology look like a hollow PR stunt. 

johno1234: I struggle with the concept of apologising for something someone else did before one was even born. It does indeed seem very much a virtue signal.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132528958/pm-chris-hipkins-says-poll-showing-fouryear-low-in-support-for-labour-sends-a-message

Will we see a meaningful policy position change from Labour? Hipkins is making the right noises, but some serious action (particularly on tax) is needed

GV27:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132528958/pm-chris-hipkins-says-poll-showing-fouryear-low-in-support-for-labour-sends-a-message

 

Will we see a meaningful policy position change from Labour? Hipkins is making the right noises, but some serious action (particularly on tax) is needed

 

I would like to see an early election. Labour is really a train wreck and its Ministers seem to all have lost their spark. Things are tough for the majority of NZers and we need a strong focused government. We dont have that.

GV27:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132528958/pm-chris-hipkins-says-poll-showing-fouryear-low-in-support-for-labour-sends-a-message

 

Will we see a meaningful policy position change from Labour? Hipkins is making the right noises, but some serious action (particularly on tax) is needed

 

Not sure when the official campaign starts, so more like then than now. Looks like 10 September

Bluntj:

 

I would like to see an early election. Labour is really a train wreck and its Ministers seem to all have lost their spark. Things are tough for the majority of NZers and we need a strong focused government. We dont have that.

 

We wont get that no matter who wins. People want everything fixed, we dont have the resources to do that. Which is why the key sectors have lagged for decades. people want tax cuts, so that means more sector spending reductions. You cannot have it all but we want it all, so we vote parties in and out, but noting actually changes. Our cousins across the ditch, and other countries have the same issue, balancing tax take and expenditure but any that have huge natural resources that they can dig out from the ground and sell, thats huge. We grow beef, lamb and milk, thats it

tdgeek:

 

people want tax cuts, so that means more sector spending reductions. 

 

This is only an issue if you have no spending that could be cut. 

We have plenty of money for sweeping centralisation projects that cost more than they save but nothing spare for the front line services that actually deliver things to the general public.

If no one is interested in improving health or education access or outcomes to the point where it actually makes a difference then I'd rather have money in my pocket to help me meet my increasing costs - I can't just run a few NZD out of my desktop printer to help make ends meet, they get very upset if you do that.