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#3306876 8-Nov-2024 10:31

The NY Times - Newsom Moves Quickly to Counter Trump in California

07 Nov 2024

One day after Donald J. Trump declared victory in the presidential race, Gov. Gavin Newsom resurrected efforts in California to thwart the president-elect by asking state lawmakers to pre-empt potential Republican actions that could impact the Democratic-led state.

California leaders have long seen themselves as a bulwark against right-wing extremism, and Mr. Newsom has positioned himself nationally as one of Mr. Trump’s loudest critics. ...

Mr. Newsom called Thursday for a legislative special session to begin in Sacramento on Dec. 2, several weeks before Mr. Trump takes office, “to safeguard California values and fundamental rights in the face of an incoming Trump administration,” according to the governor’s office.

It will initially focus on funding state litigation around Trump administration actions that might impact civil liberties, reproductive rights, immigrant protections and climate action in the state. ...

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#3306877 8-Nov-2024 10:36

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The NY Times - Newsom Moves Quickly to Counter Trump in California

07 Nov 2024

One day after Donald J. Trump declared victory in the presidential race, Gov. Gavin Newsom resurrected efforts in California to thwart the president-elect by asking state lawmakers to pre-empt potential Republican actions that could impact the Democratic-led state.

Let me Correct that for you....

Gov. Gavin Newsom started his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 2028...

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#3306881 8-Nov-2024 11:07

Paddy found a guy who doesn’t think the sky will fall or that Trump will ship his opponents to internment camps:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360479074/celebrity-authors-advice-kiwis-worried-about-trumps-win

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#3306896 8-Nov-2024 12:17

Asking for a friend.

Where did those extra 15 Mil votes in 2020 for the Dems come from?

2004 Kerry - 59 Mil
2008 Obama - 69.5 Mil
2012 Obama - 65.9 Mil
2016 Clinton - 65.9 Mil
2020 Biden - 81.3 Mil
2024 Harris - 66.4 Mil

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#3306901 8-Nov-2024 12:44

johno1234: Paddy found a guy who doesn’t think the sky will fall or that Trump will ship his opponents to internment camps:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360479074/celebrity-authors-advice-kiwis-worried-about-trumps-win
"There are guardrails in the American system... They've been there for centuries and they have yet to fail us.“

Huh, so Trump's response during Covid19 didn't fail? A Harvard study indicated Trump's actions caused 480,000 preventable deaths of Americans.

Titanic captain Captain Edward J. Smith "I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel." -

Irving Fisher in 1929 said, "Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." Shortly after this statement, the stock market crashed, leading to the Great Depression.

Bill Gates In 2004: "Two years from now, spam will be solved."

President Trump: “I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke hurricanes? hey start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”

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#3306902 8-Nov-2024 12:46

Wombat1:
Asking for a friend.

Where did those extra 15 Mil votes in 2020 for the Dems come from?

2004 Kerry - 59 Mil
2008 Obama - 69.5 Mil
2012 Obama - 65.9 Mil
2016 Clinton - 65.9 Mil
2020 Biden - 81.3 Mil
2024 Harris - 66.4 Mil

Is that a ham-fisted attempt to say Biden cheated, and stole the election? If you're going to say it, just say it. Dog whistles are best used on dogs.

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#3306905 8-Nov-2024 12:52

Wombat1:

Asking for a friend.

Where did those extra 15 Mil votes in 2020 for the Dems come from?

2004 Kerry - 59 Mil
2008 Obama - 69.5 Mil
2012 Obama - 65.9 Mil
2016 Clinton - 65.9 Mil
2020 Biden - 81.3 Mil
2024 Harris - 66.4 Mil

As a guess from the millions of people who don't normally vote but were willing to get off their butts to do so.

You know, just like getting off my but, making a moral stand, cancelling US subscriptions and working my way to be free to US services entirely.

But Apathy was the theme this time "My vote won't count so why bother".

I am also sure that there was racism and misogyny involved too.

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#3306906 8-Nov-2024 12:53

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What happened to Trump's planned lawsuits about election cheating.

Is he planning on bringing 60 lawsuits about widespread cheating, or is that only when he loses?

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#3306907 8-Nov-2024 12:54

kingdragonfly: Asking for a friend.

What happened to Trump's planned lawsuits about election cheating.

Is he planning on bringing 60 lawsuits about widespread cheating, or is that only when he loses?

Maybe it will just show (like last time) the only cheating was done by Republicans...

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#3306912 8-Nov-2024 13:06

quickymart: Summary: it's the economy (stupid).

In terms of assigning blame, one of the US satire/news/whatever TV shows tried to break it down into which demographic flipped over to Trump and after going through a huge catalogue said "well, that's pretty much everyone in the US". Same with what-the-Dems-did-wrong analysis, a meta-analysis pointed out that every analysis blamed something different and there was no one obvious cause.

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#3306966 8-Nov-2024 13:40

kingdragonfly:
Wombat1:

Asking for a friend.

Where did those extra 15 Mil votes in 2020 for the Dems come from?

2004 Kerry - 59 Mil
2008 Obama - 69.5 Mil
2012 Obama - 65.9 Mil
2016 Clinton - 65.9 Mil
2020 Biden - 81.3 Mil
2024 Harris - 66.4 Mil

Is that a ham-fisted attempt to say Biden cheated, and stole the election? If you're going to say it, just say it. Dog whistles are best used on dogs.

You don't find those numbers interesting?

My friend seems to think they interesting :-)

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#3306978 8-Nov-2024 14:47

Wombat1:

You don't find those numbers interesting?

My friend seems to think they interesting :-)

Maybe it was this "friend" here?

https://www.thebulwark.com/i/151323878/quick-hits

Maybe you remember 2020, the year of the dawn of COVID and the George Floyd protests. People were pretty worked up! Turnout was high! But the real problem is that this graph was created long before all the ballots had been counted. As of today, Trump leads in the popular vote 72.6 million to 68 million, with lots more counting left to be done. (California only has half its vote in!)

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#3306979 8-Nov-2024 14:48

wellygary:

Gov. Gavin Newsom started his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 2028...

I personally think he could be (potentially) a half-decent candidate. But a lot can change between now and 2028.

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#3306999 8-Nov-2024 15:45

sir1963:
I am also sure that there was racism and misogyny involved too.

If there was a significant racism effect then how did Obama get two terms against a more appealing opposition candidate than Trump?

Kamala was a poor choice, unwanted in the primaries, who only looked normal when reading a teleprompter. After lying about Biden’s cognitive state the Dems were unable to democratically select their candidate so installed one which alienated Dem voters. She then picked about the only running mate available that was even less appealing than her.

Dems should blame themselves for this fiasco.

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#3307001 8-Nov-2024 15:48

quickymart:
wellygary:

Gov. Gavin Newsom started his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 2028...

I personally think he could be (potentially) a half-decent candidate. But a lot can change between now and 2028.

Another liberal Californian? Only if they are incapable of learning.

Newsom it is I guess!

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