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#3307015 8-Nov-2024 17:50

johno1234: Another liberal Californian? Only if they are incapable of learning.

Trump has indicated time and again that he plans to cause vastly more damage this time round than he managed last time, which means if there actually are elections in 2028 you could run a stuffed dummy against the Republicans and it'd win.

Speaking of which:

Trump's MAGA allies gloat Project 2025 "is the agenda"

President-elect Trump's MAGA allies wasted little time after his election win before openly celebrating that the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 will set the agenda for his administration.

Less than 24 hours after Trump's victory, his allies and other right-wing commentators began to brag about implementing the radical policy agenda.

"Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lol," Matt Walsh, a right-wing podcast host, wrote on X Wednesday.
Ex-Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon praised Walsh and amplified his post during his "War Room" podcast Wednesday, telling his staff to promote Walsh's comment on social media.
Right-wing influencer Benny Johnson also chimed in on X on Wednesday: "It is my honor to inform you all that Project 2025 was real the whole time," he wrote.
Bo French, a Texas GOP official who came under fire recently for using slurs to describe gay people and people with disabilities, wrote on X Wednesday: "So can we admit now that we are going to implement Project 2025?"
Project 2025 outlines a plan to greatly expand the power of the executive branch and allow the president to override checks that typically would limit his power.

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#3307034 8-Nov-2024 18:37

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Americans have long been used to easy credit, just get another card to pay off the previous one.
Maybe this is what they really really want.

Having had an American gf yes that is correct. 1% loans. Anyone can buy a brand new car or "truck" (ute) easy peasy. On a long drive, pass through lovely big homes (as they are there), 6 foot grass.Empty. Chapter 11 is the big thing there.

NB having spent a good amount of time there, not at Disneyland/World but in day to day life, its a great country with GREAT people. My list of positives equals the list of negatives though.

As to your actual most, no idea. But probably right.

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#3307038 8-Nov-2024 18:40

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johno1234: Paddy found a guy who doesn’t think the sky will fall or that Trump will ship his opponents to internment camps:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360479074/celebrity-authors-advice-kiwis-worried-about-trumps-win
"There are guardrails in the American system... They've been there for centuries and they have yet to fail us.“

Huh, so Trump's response during Covid19 didn't fail? A Harvard study indicated Trump's actions caused 480,000 preventable deaths of Americans.

Titanic captain Captain Edward J. Smith "I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel." -

Irving Fisher in 1929 said, "Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." Shortly after this statement, the stock market crashed, leading to the Great Depression.

Bill Gates In 2004: "Two years from now, spam will be solved."

President Trump: “I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke hurricanes? hey start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”

All governments in Covid failed, as the masses weren't happy. Trump presided over that era but just months. So was dumped as an idiot, the fallout from Covid, then Ukraine was long lasting so Dems got dumped.Same issue globally

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#3307040 8-Nov-2024 18:44

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As a guess from the millions of people who don't normally vote but were willing to get off their butts to do so.

You know, just like getting off my but, making a moral stand, cancelling US subscriptions and working my way to be free to US services entirely.

But Apathy was the theme this time "My vote won't count so why bother".

I am also sure that there was racism and misogyny involved too.

I get that. the sad thing, is it's like Russia. 70 million people, yet the issue is with one people. So much for by far the most intelligent life form on this planet.

Climate change its a hoax lol. But even when the lawmakers know and and state its not a hoax, not much happens.

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#3307042 8-Nov-2024 18:48

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quickymart: Summary: it's the economy (stupid).

In terms of assigning blame, one of the US satire/news/whatever TV shows tried to break it down into which demographic flipped over to Trump and after going through a huge catalogue said "well, that's pretty much everyone in the US". Same with what-the-Dems-did-wrong analysis, a meta-analysis pointed out that every analysis blamed something different and there was no one obvious cause.

As I posted earlier based on general coverage, DEMs focused on important issues, but they didn't focus on what the voters had issues with. Economy, inflation, housing costs, money spent to Ukraine. Irregardless how stupid and shallow and selfish Trump, is, he knows Marketing 101

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#3307043 8-Nov-2024 18:51

quickymart:

Wombat1:

You don't find those numbers interesting?

My friend seems to think they interesting :-)

Maybe it was this "friend" here?

https://www.thebulwark.com/i/151323878/quick-hits

Maybe you remember 2020, the year of the dawn of COVID and the George Floyd protests. People were pretty worked up! Turnout was high! But the real problem is that this graph was created long before all the ballots had been counted. As of today, Trump leads in the popular vote 72.6 million to 68 million, with lots more counting left to be done. (California only has half its vote in!)

Those stats are factual. The democratic process for USA made the choice, its that simple.

Grab your popcorn.

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#3307044 8-Nov-2024 18:51

johno1234:
sir1963:

I am also sure that there was racism and misogyny involved too.

If there was a significant racism effect then how did Obama get two terms against a more appealing opposition candidate than Trump?

Kamala was a poor choice, unwanted in the primaries, who only looked normal when reading a teleprompter. After lying about Biden’s cognitive state the Dems were unable to democratically select their candidate so installed one which alienated Dem voters. She then picked about the only running mate available that was even less appealing than her.

Dems should blame themselves for this fiasco.

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#3307047 8-Nov-2024 18:58

quickymart:

For people not familiar with it, Zerohedge is a far-right conspiracy-theory web site (a friend of mine likes to quote from it). They come up with some pretty loony stuff at times, as soon as you see Zerohedge you know you're dealing with far-right crackpottery.

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#3307051 8-Nov-2024 19:02

johno1234:

Another liberal Californian? Only if they are incapable of learning.

Newsom it is I guess!

What would be your suggestion then?

Having said that, at least 2028 will have a proper Democratic primary, and if Newsom doesn't make the cut (if he runs) he'll be eliminated in due course.

Hopefully they're looking towards that next election already with a plan of some sort.

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#3307054 8-Nov-2024 19:05

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quickymart:

For people not familiar with it, Zerohedge is a far-right conspiracy-theory web site (a friend of mine likes to quote from it). They come up with some pretty loony stuff at times, as soon as you see Zerohedge you know you're dealing with far-right crackpottery.

I accept what you say, but that graph seems correct to me

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#3307055 8-Nov-2024 19:06

Buyer's remorse already setting in?

Also:

Rolling Stone rips into Donald Trump and his victory:
“Donald Trump- the twice impeached former president, Jan. 6 coup leader, convicted felon, adjudicated sexual abuser, and man who mismanaged the 2020 economic implosion and coronavirus disaster that killed more than 1 million people in this country, has convinced American voters to give him another term in the White House.
After a campaign marked by nativism, open bigotry, and aspiring authoritarianism, Trump triumphed over Vice President Kamala Harris, despite being denounced by several of those who worked most closely with him in his first term as a ‘fascist’. The 45th president will become the 47th in late January.
Trump’s win demonstrates that the most powerful people in the country are indeed above the law. An elderly, foul-mouthed, racist game-show host can try, in broad daylight, while the TV cameras are fixed on him, to execute a coup d’état in our nation’s capital, people can die from it, and in a few shorts years be rewarded with the full-throated support of his political party, and now the keys to the White House.
No matter what policies Trump does or doesn’t manage to shove through when he takes office in January, there is no doubt that he and his new Justice Department are going to shut down the federal cases against him. He will get away with it all, and his enemies will have to choke on that for the rest of their careers and lives.
And that will just be the beginning.”

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#3307056 8-Nov-2024 19:08

quickymart:

johno1234:

Another liberal Californian? Only if they are incapable of learning.

Newsom it is I guess!

What would be your suggestion then?

Having said that, at least 2028 will have a proper Democratic primary, and if Newsom doesn't make the cut (if he runs) he'll be eliminated in due course.

Hopefully they're looking towards that next election already with a plan of some sort.

Plan of some sort would be good, as well as a leader of some sort. Not bagging Harris, but its like they assumed they would win battling against a lowlife, but the lowlife knows marketing. Get the votes no matter how

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#3307059 8-Nov-2024 19:15

tdgeek: I accept what you say, but that graph seems correct to me

Sure, that's how the site works, they pick some (legit) data from somewhere and then build an elaborate conspiracy theory around it. Coincidence? I think not!

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#3307060 8-Nov-2024 19:21

quickymart:

That seems to be common among those who voted for tariffs, and quite probably Trump as well, they have absolutely no idea how tariffs actually work.

Or most of the other stuff Trump promised them.

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#3307061 8-Nov-2024 19:24

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tdgeek: I accept what you say, but that graph seems correct to me

Sure, that's how the site works, they pick some (legit) data from somewhere and then build an elaborate conspiracy theory around it. Coincidence? I think not!

Thats how the citizens voted. Cleansweep by the looks, thats democracy. How it works out and how many will dir indirectly, thats another issue.

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