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  #3330808 13-Jan-2025 08:22
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Bung:  In NZ we are lucky that Hansen is just a brand of plumbing fittings.

 

 

 

No, we just spell it "Hobson" here.





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  #3331026 13-Jan-2025 19:21
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Trump on day one, but be fair, make it 24 or 48 hours. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360545870/your-head-will-spin-what-trump-will-do-day-one

 

 


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  #3331033 13-Jan-2025 19:49
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tdgeek:

 

Trump on day one, but be fair, make it 24 or 48 hours. 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360545870/your-head-will-spin-what-trump-will-do-day-one

 

 

And post day 1 (or 2, or 3, or...)

 

 

Just a pity that everyone else has to suffer along with his base 😕




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  #3331034 13-Jan-2025 19:52
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Bung:
Wombat1:

And that was determined how?
None of the Australians here I know would support Harris, plenty of jokes were going around about her during and after the elections. 



From Yougov https://au.yougov.com/politics/articles/50416-67-of-australians-would-vote-for-kamala-harris-for-president

"Support for Harris is in clear majority amongst people who in 2022 voted Liberal (58%), Labor (79%), Greens (90%) as well Yes (81%) and No (58%) voters in the Voice referendum. 80% of One Nation voters said they would vote for Trump."

In NZ we are lucky that Hansen is just a brand of plumbing fittings.


Because all the polls ahead of the election were so accurate.


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  #3331038 13-Jan-2025 19:56
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johno1234: 

Because all the polls ahead of the election were so accurate.

 

Most of them predicted a very small Harris lead, but it was within the margin of error, so while I was hopeful they would be accurate, the pollsters did underestimate Trump's lead.

 

Having said that, one good thing is they won't be able to underestimate his lead ever again 👍


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  #3331051 13-Jan-2025 20:24
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The difference is that the Yougov poll was asking Australians. Trump unfortunately was voted for by Americans.

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  #3331054 13-Jan-2025 20:43
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I think it was Bolger who said “Bugger the polls”. I think they are worse than useless.

 
 
 

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  #3331092 13-Jan-2025 23:54
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quickymart:

 

Wombat1:

 

And that was determined how?
None of the Australians here I know would support Harris, plenty of jokes were going around about her during and after the elections. 

 

 

Maybe you only talk to right-wing Trump supporters?

 



Ah, the classic 'right-wing Trump supporter' label, because clearly anyone not enamored with Harris must fit neatly into that box. Tossing around 'right-wing' like it's a debate-ending mic drop is just a lazy way out of an argument. 

 

Maybe you don’t realize that you don’t have to be 'right-wing' or a 'Trump supporter' to know that Harris has inspired her fair share of jokes and global head-shaking. 


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  #3331105 14-Jan-2025 06:50
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Wombat1:

 

Maybe you don’t realize that you don’t have to be 'right-wing' or a 'Trump supporter' to know that Harris has inspired her fair share of jokes and global head-shaking. 

 

 

I'd argue the share is far, far higher for the orange buffoon, especially with gems like these (a small sample):

 

 

And yet Republicans wonder why the world is laughing at them for electing such a "stable genius" 🙄

 

I also note you ignored Bung's response on how the numbers were determined (answering your own question)...but okay, I'm the "lazy one" then.


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  #3331117 14-Jan-2025 07:24
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If you believe all that then I’m lost for words.

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  #3331118 14-Jan-2025 07:32
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johno1234: If you believe all that then I’m lost for words.

 

Obviously I don't believe any of the things he said in the image above are accurate or not wrong. But the problem is, there are a lot of people (mostly in the US, admittedly) who do hang on his every word and do believe everything that comes out of his mouth. And those are things he actually said and did.

 

Look at the Capitol insurrection, for example. If he had behaved like a president (and more to the point, like an adult) and simply said "I lost fair and square" instead of behaving like a spoiling, petulant child who had something taken away from them and screaming "election fraud!" none of that riot would have happened and he could have gone out with some dignity, at least.

 

Another example is during coronavirus when he suggested injecting bleach (mentioned in the image) as a form of protection at a press conference - I read a few articles where some idiots actually tried this, and died.

 

No, I don't believe everything he says - @freitasm (I think) pointed out on another thread the massive number of lies he tells. But the point I'm trying to make here is that a president's words have impact, and yes, a lot of people do believe him.

 

There is a meme (which I can't find at the moment) which says something like Republicans say you should only believe Trump when he tells them what they want to hear ("election fraud!" pay attention to that one!), otherwise people shouldn't listen to him and "he doesn't really mean what he says" ("I want to buy Greenland!" that one's just bluster!).

 

Hardly a good (or inspiring) look from someone who's (supposedly) "leader of the free world".


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johno1234: If you believe all that then I’m lost for words.

 

Obviously I don't believe any of the things he said in the image above are accurate or not wrong. But the problem is, there are a lot of people (mostly in the US, admittedly) who do hang on his every word and do believe everything that comes out of his mouth. And those are things he actually said and did.

 

Look at the Capitol insurrection, for example. If he had behaved like a president (and more to the point, like an adult) and simply said "I lost fair and square" instead of behaving like a spoiling, petulant child who had something taken away from them and screaming "election fraud!" none of that riot would have happened and he could have gone out with some dignity, at least.

 

Another example is during coronavirus when he suggested injecting bleach (mentioned in the image) as a form of protection at a press conference - I read a few articles where some idiots actually tried this, and died.

 

No, I don't believe everything he says - @freitasm (I think) pointed out on another thread the massive number of lies he tells. But the point I'm trying to make here is that a president's words have impact, and yes, a lot of people do believe him.

 

There is a meme (which I can't find at the moment) which says something like Republicans say you should only believe Trump when he tells them what they want to hear ("election fraud!" pay attention to that one!), otherwise people shouldn't listen to him and "he doesn't really mean what he says" ("I want to buy Greenland!" that one's just bluster!).

 

Hardly a good (or inspiring) look from someone who's (supposedly) "leader of the free world".

 

 

Thanks for clarifying - you had me going there! 😄


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  #3331633 14-Jan-2025 23:59
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quickymart:

 

I also note you ignored Bung's response on how the numbers were determined (answering your own question)...but okay, I'm the "lazy one" then.

 



So 67% of Australians would pick Kamala Harris over Trump? I dont know about that, you probably very disconnected with Australia politics!

 

QLD just booted Labor out in the state elections, sending a clear message that the Sunshine State is leaning right. Add don't forget the "No" vote in last year's referendum, where Aussies gave progressive changes the cold shoulder, it’s clear: Australians seem more into right-wing vibes than anyone from the far left. Labor will be out in the next federal election, and you welcome to quote me on this in a few months time. 

 

Even in Victoria and New South Wales, where the left tends to have more sway, there’s significant support for conservative voices, especially around issues like taxes, immigration and inflation. So, while Kamala might be a hit with some, it’s hard to imagine her getting the same love when we’re more into "no thank you" than "yes, please" on progressive change right noww. 

 

Let’s not forge, sites like YouGov can be a bit biased, reflecting the leanings of their audience and potentially framing things in a way that don't tell the whole story. Given the political climate here, it seems a stretch to claim that kind of overwhelming support for her.


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  #3331638 15-Jan-2025 07:27
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Wombat1:

 

QLD just booted Labor out in the state elections, sending a clear message that the Sunshine State is leaning right. 

 

 

 

 

Queensland? Leaning right? Unpossible.





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