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#3262413 21-Jul-2024 19:53

The so far nameless pass-the-torch pac initial ad spot

The spot claims it's time for someone with energy and drive to take things forward. Imo Joe Biden has had and still does have the energy and drive. I'm sure he'd be exactly that way if he got into a wheelchair and later he needed an oxygen tank. My main problem and I'm sure it's Biden's problem too - can't think of anyone else to match that energy and drive.

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#3262436 21-Jul-2024 20:50

Yes its hard to match a fit Biden. But hes clearly getting beyond what i think he would be, say a year ago. What I dont get is he talks about being a transitional president, and I get why he decided to run again, but now he has 80% consistently in polls saying he is too old to continue (paraphrase). The funny thing is, Trumps polls in this regard were not much better, at least prior to being tagged in the air.

I got a bad feeling Joe is not going to step down.

The scary thing is, Trump without even being in congress has already started the Schedule F (forget its name) in the p25 playbook and if voted in, that according to numerous sources will be the end of Democracy in the US. Brian Tyler Cohen with his guest did a good video explaining it today/Yesterday.

So if Biden knows 80% dont think hes up to it, and 70% of both parties want a younger president with new direction, its a no brainer to me, you have to try in an existential crisis. I worry his stubborness and arrogance toward polling, which he is right about, but I dont think this is the same as Hillary, will be the downfall.

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#3262448 21-Jul-2024 21:08

TeaLeaf: But hes clearly getting beyond what i think he would be, say a year ago.

He's been going downhill for quite some time now. UK Comedian Russell Howard did a restrospective recently showing some of the more notable cognitive problems going back years (warning, NSFW and aiming for laughs more than facts), it's just that there's been little focus on them until now when they're an issue going against Trump.

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#3262451 21-Jul-2024 21:21

If Trump wins, or there there's a successful right-wing coup, or somehow the Supreme Court nullifies the election, the following are moot points.

Frankly Biden is more likely to win than a new Democratic candidate.

This is based on US incumbents having a 94% chance of winning.

Trump was the exception because he was just that bad, and all serving politicians during COVID had that albatross hanging from their neck. (except for leaders for life like Xi Jinping and Putin)

In America old voters are much more likely to vote than young voters, and old voters tend to vote for fellow fossils. It's my belief if only 2% of fossils who would have voted for Biden vote for Trump instead, Trump wins.

Lastly, I don't think any new Democratic candidate could unify the Democratic party fast enough to avoid letting Trump win.

It's a crap system, but you play the hand you're dealt.

If Biden was incapacitated or worse the day after the Congressional certification it's all good: the vice president-elect would become the president-elect

Even better would likely be president for 2 terms. Long enough to effectively appoint at least one, possibly two Supreme Court justice.

"He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."

US president Franklin D. Roosevelt, about a Nicaraguan dictator

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#3262452 21-Jul-2024 21:33

kingdragonfly:
US president Franklin D. Roosevelt, about a Nicaraguan dictator

ha how sanctimonious given he served 4 terms.

luckily the ammendment came in for two term max, until somebody rigged the SCOTUS and once in will put the King playbook into effect, its almost a certainty. From there. there is no way to get Democracy back as he will control, lawfully, absolutely everything. The billionaires behind are wannabe Oligarchs.

Yes in normaly circomstances Id agree re the incumbent, but he was the oldest president when he started, this is beyond any other president before. So if ~80% are saying they have no faith in your ability due to age etc, and ~70% on both parties and swing voters went into this saying they want neither they want a younger new trajectory, and he said he would be a transitional president, and this is existential to democracy, I dont think the 94% incumbent stat applies.

however I can see him running, without any money, simply because he feels betrayed. such an amazing public servant, but his stubborness could erase all his work.

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#3262537 22-Jul-2024 07:20

gzt: The so far nameless pass-the-torch pac initial ad spot

The spot claims it's time for someone with energy and drive to take things forward. Imo Joe Biden has had and still does have the energy and drive. I'm sure he'd be exactly that way if he got into a wheelchair and later he needed an oxygen tank. My main problem and I'm sure it's Biden's problem too - can't think of anyone else to match that energy and drive.

you don't just need energy and drive.

all the polls (which are heavily Democrat biased remember - every time they call a Democrat win, Republicans end up winning) show Trump has Biden beat everywhere. if you extrapolate that will mean a whitewash due to the bias in the polls that we know from history.

he needed to step aside to give the Democrats any chance.

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#3262538 22-Jul-2024 07:23

kingdragonfly:
Frankly Biden is more likely to win than a new Democratic candidate.

that's not how it works,

that's not what the polls are showing, the polls which heavily biased to the Democrats show a complete whitewash.

he needed to step aside to give the Democrats any chance, which may or may not be enough.

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#3262542 22-Jul-2024 07:49

and.... he's called it and endorses Harris

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#3262546 22-Jul-2024 07:56

Most recent 538 polling has Harris slightly ahead of where Biden was on a head-to-head basis.

But this will come down to the battleground states again and I don't know how well she'll be received there.

Also interesting given the communities she supposedly appeals to are leaning towards Trump.

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#3262551 22-Jul-2024 08:19

The Washington Post - How Democrats can pick a new candidate, step by step

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#3262558 22-Jul-2024 08:33

The Guardian - Biden drops out ...

Biden is staying in the White House until his term ends

Biden’s letter on Sunday specifically noted that he intends to stay in office until his term ends in January.

But expect Republicans to make hay over this: they will call for Biden to step down immediately, saying if he isn’t able to campaign then he isn’t able to govern.

In the immediate aftermath of the campaign announcement, some Republicans were already calling for Biden’s resignation. ...

The Republican House speaker, Mike Johnson: “If Joe Biden is not fit to run for president, he is not fit to serve as president. He must resign the office immediately. November 5 cannot arrive soon enough.”

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#3262559 22-Jul-2024 08:34

The big question in the room is; is America ready and are they going to vote for a President, who is a female and of colour❓

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#3262562 22-Jul-2024 08:43

FineWine:

The big question in the room is; is America ready and are they going to vote for a President, who is a female and of colour?

Some of the things I've read this morning suggest her record as Vice President isn't exactly stellar. No doubt her loss (either to Trump or not becoming the nominee) will be painted as bias regardless of the true reasoning.

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#3262563 22-Jul-2024 08:53

My father-in-law died from the variant of Parkinsons mentioned earlier. He developed an odd way of walking and exhibited a few other cognitive problems before he was diagnosed. His driving became erratic which is something Joe hasn't had to do.

With the Biden/Harris ticket a lot of voters might have thought they would end up with a black woman as President anyway as Joe would not survive another 4 years.

The Democrats now have a question almost as difficult as 'do we stick with Biden'. Do they go with Harris or back someone unrelated to the current Presidency but who has the personality to connect with the public in a short period of time. Ardern did it here but NZ is not the USA.

To the Dems advantage this is a reset and the campaign actually starts now. Trump and Co have already peaked. I doubt they cannot get more popular than they are now.

The Dems just have to pick the right candidate and they will win.

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#3262567 22-Jul-2024 09:04

It is a mistake, though understandable, for Biden to carry on as president. If he resigned that would at least propel Harris into the spotlight and give her the best possible chance to prove herself as leader. She needs to be president now if she is to have any prospect of winning the election. Of course if she was president, that would make the speaker of the House next in line. God what a messed up system America has.

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