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#3115420 13-Aug-2023 22:41

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/heather-du-plessis-allan-election-2023-act-nz-first-coupling-a-headache-for-national/SUF7BHQBDBBUVCL2PPNTTNR5JI/ >> a paywalled opinion piece from Heather Du Plessis Allan, who really, really doesn't like Winston, and thinks any government that has anything to do with him is 100% a bad idea.

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#3115430 14-Aug-2023 05:55

quickymart:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/heather-du-plessis-allan-election-2023-act-nz-first-coupling-a-headache-for-national/SUF7BHQBDBBUVCL2PPNTTNR5JI/ >> a paywalled opinion piece from Heather Du Plessis Allan, who really, really doesn't like Winston, and thinks any government that has anything to do with him is 100% a bad idea.

100% agree with her. Winston is worse than bad news. There needs to be more billboards, but better targeted against Winston. The public need to be reminded how bad he has been.

He was a disaster for this country in 2017 and will be again if he ever gets to sit on the government benches.

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#3115431 14-Aug-2023 06:13

The number of people who think removing GST will give them a 15% saving is reason enough to doubt anyone who suggests this as a serious policy.

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#3115451 14-Aug-2023 07:56

The GST on food thing is an easy sell, who's going to say its a bad idea potentially saving money at the grocery store? The average Joe Public is too naïve, gullible and/or plain stupid to actually think much of the savings will be passed on. Three groups and three groups only will benefit from this

The Supermarkets (who will raise prices after 1-2 news cycles, pinning the increase on supplier price rises, inflation or any other excuse they care to muster up
Accountants - the extra charges managing GST returns and end of year accounts to reconcile things properly
IT companies - the changes to IT systems will be vast and expensive

I hadn't read the bit about non indexing of tax rates, so I guess normal inflation will take care of any minute savings on fruit and veges that haven't already been absorbed by the above.

Stupid is as stupid does

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#3115454 14-Aug-2023 08:07

I'm genuinely confused how the government can consider things like drastically increasing access to dental care and then decide to instead campaign on yanking the GST off fruit and vegetables for no actual benefit and against the advice of almost literally every tax professional for almost the same amount of money.

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#3115456 14-Aug-2023 08:17

GV27:

The number of people who think removing GST will give them a 15% saving is reason enough to doubt anyone who suggests this as a serious policy.

Cheaper and easier to administer would be to give everyone on a below average wage/benefit a $10 a week top up, ie much like the winter energy payment.

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#3115538 14-Aug-2023 10:10

Good article on Labours policies.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/labour-looks-to-govern-by-focus-group?utm_source=Newsroom&utm_campaign=46b26eff99-Daily_Briefing+14.08.2023&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71de5c4b35-46b26eff99-97887111&mc_cid=46b26eff99&mc_eid=b8db8ff82e

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#3115652 14-Aug-2023 12:22

Oops,

Labours calculator was broken

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-forced-to-fix-gst-policy-after-240m-hole-found/3SGFFXMX4ZD4LFDZX2RSF47JX4/

I get that these things happen (and National had better be damned sure of their numbers before throwing around costings), but this close to the election campaign, its a distraction which they really don't want.

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#3115656 14-Aug-2023 12:25

GV27: I'm genuinely confused how the government can consider things like drastically increasing access to dental care [snip]

Labour? I thought that was just a Green Party policy?

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#3115672 14-Aug-2023 12:51

Technofreak: Winston is worse than bad news. There needs to be more billboards, but better targeted against Winston. The public need to be reminded how bad he has been.

The Streisand effect is only going to help NZ First.

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#3115691 14-Aug-2023 13:29

gzt:
GV27: I'm genuinely confused how the government can consider things like drastically increasing access to dental care [snip]

Labour? I thought that was just a Green Party policy?

I believe it was investigated as part of a costing exercise.

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#3115942 15-Aug-2023 08:20

And the experts agree, GST free fruit and veges is a dog of an idea

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-tax-experts-respond-to-gst-free-fruit-and-vegetables/EVZXXQYZSJH35BQCZZW2ADSSZE/

Even the economist for the council of trade unions and former advisor to Grant Robertson struggled to not absolutely lambast it and another said any economist who supports the idea doesn't deserve the title of economist (I had to laugh at that).

I also see more election lollies have been dished out with 4 weeks more paid parental leave for partners, to be run in conjunction with the main carer and an extra $51 per week and kiwisaver contributions too. Thats a policy right out of labours handbook and will have broad appeal

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-labours-offer-for-new-parents-is-four-weeks-paid-leave-for-partners-on-top-of-paid-parental-leave/UKFJMWGLONDBBFQAWMWX6JB4EA/

Please, National or Act, come out with some decent broad based policies too

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#3115963 15-Aug-2023 08:55

Chris Luxon stated not long back that National is open to GST off veges and fruit. But the real story is despite all our woes, the election is about buying votes. Labour offers a silly offer, which on paper sounds good. National then become open to it. They are both silly. I thought NZ had housing, inflation, health, education, infrastructure issues? Maybe not. They are both spending up on lollies.

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#3116021 15-Aug-2023 09:32

Unfortunately, lollies wins votes, fixing issues doesn't (and perhaps because the issues have been around so long, that even the average person knows its not an easy fix).

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#3116028 15-Aug-2023 09:43

sen8or:

Unfortunately, lollies wins votes, fixing issues doesn't (and perhaps because the issues have been around so long, that even the average person knows its not an easy fix).

Exactly. But its quite stark given that those sectors have been in the news steadily for a good period of time, yet now at the time when people can vote, they aren't.

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