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#3158037 10-Nov-2023 14:06

Yes, it might be like that. It may also be, as this is the first meeting, a bit delicate given the insults both ways, lets just have a simple chat on what we agree on. Thats easy and its quick, and it becomes an icebreaker, which may soften what they disagree on in later talks

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#3158104 10-Nov-2023 17:12

Sit down for a cup of tea and talk about the weather. Too wealthy to talk about the price of milk and bread. No tantrums from either party and everyone walks out alive. First meeting is a big success ; )

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#3158116 10-Nov-2023 20:01

What an idiot (Peters)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301005807/governorgeneral-to-extend-caretaker-government-until-new-government-formed

So what do the media want to hear about? Then he shuts them down. Man up and say we are in negotiations, when we know, you will too

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#3158120 10-Nov-2023 20:44

https://archive.ph/cCurM >> opinion piece from Matthew Hooton on the incoming government.

Also: current caretaker government to be extended as the new lot are taking a while to get it together:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-labours-rachel-boyack-holds-nelson-over-nationals-blair-cameron-after-recount-caretaker-government-extended/TDKZP4MK4VFDZJMSWK3TGWWDIA/

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#3158127 10-Nov-2023 21:32

tdgeek:

What an idiot (Peters)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301005807/governorgeneral-to-extend-caretaker-government-until-new-government-formed

So what do the media want to hear about? Then he shuts them down. Man up and say we are in negotiations, when we know, you will too

Let's go with MMP they said, it will be fun they said.

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#3158131 10-Nov-2023 22:10

Better than FPP.

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#3158132 10-Nov-2023 22:32

The sky does not fall if it takes a while longer to form a Government.

I daresay everything ticks along just the same when Parliament goes on long holiday recesses too :-)
We have had longer delays before and then in EU its not unusual, Germany did push this out a bit.

Apart from us noticing that day to day it makes little difference if Parliament is there or not for a while.
This is only a panic to MPs :-)

Now if you have a Government that regularly revolts against its Prime Minister.
All that backstabbing within ruling party that really stirs everyone up.
But still day to day stuff just ticks along.

Still maybe it adds to arguments to go for a 4 year term.

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#3158143 11-Nov-2023 07:19

ezbee:

The sky does not fall if it takes a while longer to form a Government.

It'll get done when it gets done.

The downside of the Luxon media blackout strategy is there is nothing to actually report so the media is reporting every minor rumour. If there's no actual news they'll find something to get the clicks.

It's really not the end of the world if it takes another week or two to get done.

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#3158147 11-Nov-2023 07:38

And central government agencies are very much planning for around an 8% haircut across the board. It’s my view most things will grind to a halt. There will be the 100 day plan and the main or only tangible change will be a significant reduction in headcount and all contractors are cut.

It will be a self fulfilling prophecy of government agencies failing to deliver after having massive redundancies to pay for a $10 tax cut due to the competent people leaving and moral being in the toilet.

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#3158148 11-Nov-2023 07:42

Handle9:

It's really not the end of the world if it takes another week or two to get done.

No, but it gives us a bit of a preview of what style PM we've got:

'This time the specials will punish Labour!' - fails to learn from history
'The final results took too long. I think think they should do it faster.' - Man in suit who has never done the job knows best
'I will take as long as I feel like to create a new government' - but it's OK if everyone else has to wait for me
'Word salad!' - word salad

It's going to be an interesting three years watching him get batted around like a cat toy by Mr Untrustworthy and The Cuck.

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#3158150 11-Nov-2023 08:44

I reckon, Luxon (to me, anyway) gives the impression this will all be a walk in the park for him, as he's managed teams and used to run an airline.

But giving a stewardess feedback on how she (or he) is doing their job is totally different to telling Winston Peters what to do.

Speaking of Winston - Stuff took a look at his 1996 coalition agreement with Jim Bolger. Very different back then to what he's touting he'll do today:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133242570/whats-changed-from-winstons-somewhat-wokelooking-1996-coalition-agreement-to-today

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#3158175 11-Nov-2023 09:51

I sincerely doubt the new government will be any better or any worse than the many others I've lived under.

The majority of views I see posted on here just seem to reflect the posters political leanings so really not very objective.

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#3158756 13-Nov-2023 02:28

Political leanings aside, @SJB is probably right. And I consider that a systemic failing. New Zealand isn't an FPP country, so it evades the two-party system - mostly. But let's be honest, it's a two-party system. Because ultimately, every MMP coalition involves "one of the two". Wake me up when Greens or an alternate link in.

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#3158764 13-Nov-2023 07:33

Arguably that’s begun to change. It’s a three way government this time round (assuming one or the other of ACT or NZF don’t throw a tantrum and sit on the cross benches. If hypothetically NZF and Labour had been willing to deal, it would be four. Hopefully this trend continues.

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#3159049 13-Nov-2023 12:38

NZF and ACT have inherited a lot of Anti's that decided that getting closer to power was better than an unrecognized protest vote.

Hence they have a lot more in common once you put the 'personal' issues aside.

National will want to get on with its core business and economic policies that it got huge donations for.

NZF and ACT have potential to gang up on National to buy a race policy fight that's going to be very ugly.
Its also something that you don't have to bring to a head.
Thus unnecessarily taking attention away from core policies while there is a bitter fight over this.

This is the sort of unproductive divisive stuff John Key would kick down the road.

I'm figuring its not NZF that will be a sticking point, but a joint NZF ACT block seeing opportunity ?

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