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#3235173 27-May-2024 10:54

Lets hope this guy is an outlier. Some of his ideas are positively Orwellian.

Occupying Gaza is Israel’s best path forward | Andrew Jose | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com)

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#3235727 28-May-2024 09:15

Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mishap, Netanyahu says - BBC News

And from Biden - a deafening silence.

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#3235746 28-May-2024 09:59

SJB:

Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mishap, Netanyahu says - BBC News

And from Biden - a deafening silence.

'We could not possibly have foreseen that dropping an unguided 2000 pound bomb into the general area of a crowd of refugees might cause collateral damage when it fell off target. I mean, yes obviously the target was in the middle of the crowd of refugees, and it was the largest bomb we have in our general inventory, but I ask you, what could we have done differently? Used a small precision guided weapon? Maybe just not attacked that target at all? Come now, be reasonable.'

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#3235749 28-May-2024 10:09

There is a cost calculation at play here.

Debit column

40+ civilians killed

Some whining from parties we can completely ignore

1 more bomb and some fighter fuel used up

Credit column

2 Hamas commanders killed

Netanyahu's Summary

A very profitable transaction.

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#3242315 29-May-2024 14:35

Joke of the week.

Israel Gaza: Operation in Rafah doesn't cross US red lines - White House - BBC News

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#3242552 30-May-2024 08:56

Is it just a coincidence that Trump might be back in the White House in 7 months?

Israel expects Gaza war to continue for seven months, says PM's adviser - BBC News

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#3243514 1-Jun-2024 13:31

SJB:

Lets hope this guy is an outlier. Some of his ideas are positively Orwellian.

Occupying Gaza is Israel’s best path forward | Andrew Jose | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com)

He is certainly not alone.

This is Bezalel Smotrich, the Minister of Finance, one of the most senior roles in the government. Here he is giving a speech and the image on the lectern is a map of 'Greater Israel', showing an Israel that includes all of the Palestinian areas, parts of Lebanon, Syria and what appears to be almost all, or all of Jordan.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-seeks-to-calm-waters-with-jordan-after-racist-extremist-speech-by-smotrich/

He doesn't just want to occupy Gaza, he wants it all.

He lives in a settlement in the West Bank (of course) and he is the leader of a political party with 10.83% of the vote in the most recent Israeli legislative elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Israeli_legislative_election

The guy you quoted from that "Occupying Gaza" article would probably be considered a moderate.

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#3243517 1-Jun-2024 13:42

SJB:

Deadly strike on Rafah a tragic mishap, Netanyahu says - BBC News

And from Biden - a deafening silence.

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#3243538 1-Jun-2024 15:11

SJB:
Lets hope this guy is an outlier. Some of his ideas are positively Orwellian.
Occupying Gaza is Israel’s best path forward | Andrew Jose | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com)

Unfortunately that guy's perspective is not original. It more or less the regime Palestinians are already subject to in the West Bank occupied territories administered by the Ministry of Defense. Israel government policy for a long time there.

One of those things that was decided and advaned within Israel's political establishment and never really put to an electorate. Expanded enormously under Netanyahu and people generally understand that. Netanyahu uses the extremist elements in his coalition to take things further than even his party wants. In contrast extremists like Ben Gvir and Smotrich openly advocate these policies and get few votes. It is likely they will get even less votes for it in the next election.

The guy writes for a number of right leaning to nutty publications listed in his bio which is not surprising.

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#3243574 1-Jun-2024 19:18

Former Mossad secret service chief responds to revelations Netanyahu used former agency head Yossi Cohen in an ultimately failed attempt to threaten and blackmail International Criminal Court prosecutor Fatou Bensouda:

BBC: “I don’t think that Israel or its emissaries should be using blackmail and threats against a prosecutor in the court in The Hague, which the Jewish people were key to establishing after the Holocaust in world war two. It doesn’t make sense to me.”

Unfortunately yet more evidence of Netanyahu's approach to governance which has long moved outside the boundaries of the state and it's institutions and undermined it.

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#3243580 1-Jun-2024 20:46

gzt: Former Mossad secret service chief responds to revelations Netanyahu used former agency head Yossi Cohen in an ultimately failed attempt to threaten and blackmail International Criminal Court prosecutor Fatou Bensouda:

BBC: “I don’t think that Israel or its emissaries should be using blackmail and threats against a prosecutor in the court in The Hague, which the Jewish people were key to establishing after the Holocaust in world war two. It doesn’t make sense to me.”

Unfortunately yet more evidence of Netanyahu's approach to governance which has long moved outside the boundaries of the state and it's institutions and undermined it.

umm, you think this is the first time that any country's foreign intelligence arm has done this?

CIA, KGB, Mossad, etc etc etc, have been doing this every day since before you were born and have eliminated targets and overthrown governments since before my parents were born

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#3243593 1-Jun-2024 23:58

umm, you think this is the first time that any country's foreign intelligence arm has done this?

Netanyahu brought in a former chief outside the service and sent him off as a 'special envoy'. The fact that another former chief thinks this action and the methods employed were far beyond anything acceptable should ring alarm bells.

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#3243607 2-Jun-2024 07:37

gzt:
umm, you think this is the first time that any country's foreign intelligence arm has done this?

Netanyahu brought in a former chief outside the service and sent him off as a 'special envoy'. The fact that another former chief thinks this action and the methods employed were far beyond anything acceptable should ring alarm bells.

the CIA does that all the time, hiring "contractors". these "contractors" are what the series Mission Impossible are based on.

these "contractors" are all ex-intelligence with contacts and special clearance far beyond what you would imagine, and are not bound to internal operational policies and national legislation which is why they are used.

but you don't hear of them speaking out, other than this instance.

but i agree, nobody likes Netanyahu, even contractors are speaking out!

maybe the even the Mossad doesn't agree with him, but make no mistake the Mossad are as ruthless as KGB (now FSB), i can assure you they will do everything in their abilities to protect their nation.

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#3243810 2-Jun-2024 18:29

120,000 people rally in Tel Aviv in support of Biden's hostage deal and against Netanyahu:

Times Of Israel: Demos urging early elections, Gaza ceasefire-hostage deal estimated to be largest since Oct. 7; arrests reported; activist says anti-Netanyahu movement to escalate tactics

Ben Gvir and Smotrich say they will bring down the government if there is a hostage deal. Opposition leader Yair Lapid says he will support the government on a deal if the extremists walk out.

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#3244026 3-Jun-2024 08:03

things you didn't know you didn't know

let me qualify though - their enemies are no better, if not much much worse.

also reminder - this is a 6,000 year war between relatives and neighbours

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