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#3348162 26-Feb-2025 19:22

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Because he is not decisive.

He can't even answer a closed question with yes or no!
Case in point: Luxon gives a masterclass in the art of deflection/not answering the question asked - even worse, from National fanboy Mike Hosking 😮

https://archive.ph/FVfcL

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Hosking: Would you – because you’ve got yourself into the usual trouble with you being too nice – would you have sacked him [Bayly] if he hadn’t offered to resign?

Luxon: Well, [that’s] hypothetical, he did resign.

Hosking: No, I know that, but just answer the question. Would you have sacked him?

Luxon: Well, he didn’t meet the expectations of a minister.

Hosking: So was it a sackable offence?

Luxon: Well, I think given how clear we’ve been on the first instance ...

Hosking: Why can’t you just answer the question? This is why you get yourself reputationally in so much trouble. Would you have sacked him? Yes or no?

Luxon: I could say he didn’t meet the expectations I have of ministers.

Hosking: So you would have sacked him.

Luxon: I didn’t need to, because he resigned.

Hosking: See what you’re doing here?

Luxon: Well, you’re talking about a specific case, right, which is, have I done a good job of laying down expectations of my ministers? Yes. Crystal clear.

Hosking: The next step is really simple: ‘I’m glad he offered to resign because I tell you what, if he didn’t, I would have sacked him.’

Luxon: He wouldn’t have met my expectations as a minister.

Hosking: Why are you saying it that way? I don’t understand.

Luxon: Well, that’s what I mean. If he hadn’t resigned, I would have made an intervention.

Hosking: Why is this so bloody hard? ‘I would have sacked him.’

Luxon: No, no, but there’s an issue here ...

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#3348215 26-Feb-2025 22:37

Seems like such a gimme, why not just answer yes and act like you are a tough leader?

Perhaps there's a lot more dirt to come out and he's playing for that.

If you never commit to anything or have a viewpoint (or say something, anything) people can't hold you to it, right?

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#3348216 26-Feb-2025 22:39

elpenguino:

Seems like such a gimme, why not just answer yes and act like you are a tough leader?

Because he isn't a leader.

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#3348470 27-Feb-2025 20:04

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543155/david-seymour-responds-to-school-lunch-programme-controversy

Seymour told Checkpoint there were schools that said the current school lunch programme was better than the old one.

He would not give the school names for privacy reasons.

"Privacy reasons" seems like a nice easy response to hide behind. If the schools in question are really happy shouldn't he be shouting their successes from the rooftops?

I'm starting to feel like Seymour is actually tone-deaf re the criticism about his new! improved! school lunches 🙄

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#3348603 28-Feb-2025 08:16

quickymart:

I'm starting to feel like Seymour is actually tone-deaf re the criticism about his new! improved! school lunches 🙄

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#3348762 28-Feb-2025 18:27

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543155/david-seymour-responds-to-school-lunch-programme-controversy

Seymour told Checkpoint there were schools that said the current school lunch programme was better than the old one.

He would not give the school names for privacy reasons.

"Privacy reasons" seems like a nice easy response to hide behind. If the schools in question are really happy shouldn't he be shouting their successes from the rooftops?

I'm starting to feel like Seymour is actually tone-deaf re the criticism about his new! improved! school lunches 🙄

If its THAT good, I am sure Seymour will happily eat it everyday the kids do.

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#3348771 28-Feb-2025 19:19

And the criticism piles on...

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-02-2025/the-a-z-of-david-seymours-school-lunch-disaster (a handy guide if you're just catching up)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360596418/watties-frozen-meal-fish-pie-one-worst-school-lunches-year-principal-says

Talking to reporters in Invercargill on Thursday, Seymour said some principals were behaving in a way that was basically teaching people to be ungrateful.

“I had one principal complaining that they got 11 meals of free butter chicken. Well, there’s a lot of people in the world that if you said, ‘how would you like 11 free butter chickens’, their response wouldn’t be a complaint,” Seymour said.

He also defended the quality of the meals, which has been part of the ongoing criticism.

“Many children are writing in and saying ‘we think these meals are better than we had last year’,” he said.

Really? I'd love to see some of these purported letters - assuming they exist - or maybe they're feedback from of his group of friends or his family who have kids 🙄

The Stuff story about the fish pies makes another good point:

[School principal Jonathan] Poole questioned the cost of the lunches in the new programme and was concerned they didn’t contain enough nutrients. The Wattie’s frozen meal fish pie is currently on special at Woolworths for $3.80.

What happened to "healthy and nutritious for only $3"? I'm pretty sure $3.80 is closer to $4 than $3.

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#3348777 28-Feb-2025 19:51

sir1963:

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/543155/david-seymour-responds-to-school-lunch-programme-controversy

Seymour told Checkpoint there were schools that said the current school lunch programme was better than the old one.

He would not give the school names for privacy reasons.

"Privacy reasons" seems like a nice easy response to hide behind. If the schools in question are really happy shouldn't he be shouting their successes from the rooftops?

I'm starting to feel like Seymour is actually tone-deaf re the criticism about his new! improved! school lunches 🙄

If its THAT good, I am sure Seymour will happily eat it everyday the kids do.

maybe not this Principal

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360596418/watties-frozen-meal-fish-pie-one-worst-school-lunches-year-principal-says

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#3348779 28-Feb-2025 19:56

quickymart:

And the criticism piles on...

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/28-02-2025/the-a-z-of-david-seymours-school-lunch-disaster (a handy guide if you're just catching up)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360596418/watties-frozen-meal-fish-pie-one-worst-school-lunches-year-principal-says

Talking to reporters in Invercargill on Thursday, Seymour said some principals were behaving in a way that was basically teaching people to be ungrateful.

“I had one principal complaining that they got 11 meals of free butter chicken. Well, there’s a lot of people in the world that if you said, ‘how would you like 11 free butter chickens’, their response wouldn’t be a complaint,” Seymour said.

He also defended the quality of the meals, which has been part of the ongoing criticism.

“Many children are writing in and saying ‘we think these meals are better than we had last year’,” he said.

Really? I'd love to see some of these purported letters - assuming they exist - or maybe they're feedback from of his group of friends or his family who have kids 🙄

The Stuff story about the fish pies makes another good point:

[School principal Jonathan] Poole questioned the cost of the lunches in the new programme and was concerned they didn’t contain enough nutrients. The Wattie’s frozen meal fish pie is currently on special at Woolworths for $3.80.

What happened to "healthy and nutritious for only $3"? I'm pretty sure $3.80 is closer to $4 than $3.

Facts are so overrated. Its about likes and news bites. Id rather have a great idea and it didnt work out. Yes, I could blame other factors, that doesnt harm my credibility too much. But I would own it. When the rubber meets the road, it stops there. The issue now, it doesnt stop there.

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#3348889 1-Mar-2025 08:14

freitasm:

Because he isn't a leader.

The Secret Diary rendition of that awful interview is quite funny too 🙂: https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/03/01/the-secret-diary-of-the-hosking-luxon-trainwreck/

Mike Hosking: Why are you talking like this? I don’t understand.

The Prime Minister: It’s something I’ve done all my life, you know. As chief executive of Air New Zealand, a role I held before I shifted sideways into my current operational duties at governance level, communication was always key. I have flow charts that can illustrate this and if you crunch the numbers then the data will also provide evidential support. I haven’t seen the data yet but I’m across it.

Mike Hosking: I don’t want to get bogged down on this and obviously it’s better that you lead the country rather than the socialists who would all happily drag us kicking and screaming into Hell, but count how many words you’re using to say absolutely nothing. This is why you’re in trouble in the polls. People want something decisive.

The Prime Minister: As I said, I’m driving. And that’s as decisive as it gets. You understand cars, Mike. They need turning on, and steering, and put through the carwash every once in a while to look good in front of people. This interview is a bit like a carwash.

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#3348934 1-Mar-2025 11:07

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/school-lunches-christopher-luxon-makes-expectations-clear-to-david-seymour-as-minister-responsible/SUOGHXJ5PFECVEPY2YKASF53HE/

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says the Government’s school lunches programme is still experiencing “teething issues” and he expects David Seymour to give it his “full attention”.

“David Seymour will work his way through those issues – he’s the minister responsible for it and I expect he will [find a solution],” Luxon told media from Vietnam last night.

Teething issues, halfway through the new term? Are we still going to be hearing this excuse when December roll around?

I guess Compass must be following some set menu they don't deviate from - I did see one school in Canterbury complain that when temperatures were near 30°C the other the kids were served a hot meal, for some reason...

I seriously wonder if what Luxon has said is going to make any difference whatsoever. Seymour probably doesn't care, he's going to be Deputy PM shortly so he'll be able to start focusing on stuff his base cares about, not "school lunches for poor [non-wealthy] kids" 🙄

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#3348964 1-Mar-2025 14:06

So Judith Collins thinks its a good to move along and see nothing
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/chinese-warships-in-tasman-sea-inch-closer-to-australia/ar-AA1zI5Jb

""
Australian aviation officials have revealed they first learnt of a potential Chinese "live fire" military exercise in the Tasman Sea last week after a Virgin Airlines pilot relayed warnings he had picked up mid-flight via an emergency radio frequency, ABC reports.
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Defence Minister Judith Collins on Monday said the warships presence in the Tasman Sea was "unusual" but nothing Kiwis need to be worried about.
""

A good Global citizen posts information so countries can organize NOTAMs and arrange safe progress of flights.
Its not like you start a live fire exercise 1000's of Km from your base on the fly with no planning.

Ok North Korea does this with Missile Launches but that is North Korea.
Elon's rockets, well he did have a zone NOTAMed, but his rocket overshot expectations. :-)

I suppose Luxon has no view on this either.

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#3349154 2-Mar-2025 09:45

quickymart: Should Bayly have said on Friday what happened and that he was leaving his portfolios, or been given the weekend to "tell his family" (which is what ended up happening)?

A government minister resigned on Friday and the country did not know about it until several days later on Monday. That seems unusual to me in this day and age.

On the other hand Bayly was the minister for ACC, and Commerce and Consumer Affairs. Those are not portfolios that require round the clock attention.

Bayly was a minister outside cabinet, as is his replacement Scott Simpson.

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#3349517 3-Mar-2025 10:25

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360595992/what-school-lunches-looked-wellingtons-mana-college-last-year-and-what-they-look-now

I gotta say, last year's ones look way better.

And this is meant to be someone's lunch?? Probably yet another "teething problem", I suppose 🙄

On Thursday, the Principals’ Federation wrote to Associate Minister David Seymour, calling for a return to the previous system relying on local providers.

In a statement to Stuff, Minister Seymour made clear he had no intention of doing that, saying the previous model is untenable.

“The priority for the school lunches programme must be delivering lunches to students, at a cost affordable to the taxpayer. It was impossible to justify the old model when it’s possible to deliver the programme at half the cost.”

Of course, Seymour will obstinately refuse to go back to the old system. As long as he gets his nice cushy taxpayer-paid lunch from a cafe each day and landlords get their tax cuts, who cares about the kids? 😠

I'd rather not have had the personal tax cuts, if it meant kids weren't being served crap like this.

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#3349518 3-Mar-2025 10:28

quickymart:

I'd rather not have had the personal tax cuts, if it meant kids weren't being served crap like this.

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