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  #3202227 1-Mar-2024 19:57
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I thought you used it to run your own private superfund

 

 

 

 

Yep, that was wrong too.





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  #3202228 1-Mar-2024 19:57
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What about if he never owned an apartment in the first place?

 

 

Then he lives in the apparently decent if not perfect Premier House. I don't remember reading about him being officially advised it was somehow actually unsafe. It should be quite secure apparently...





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  #3202229 1-Mar-2024 19:59
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What about if he never owned an apartment in the first place?

 

 

Well then he would be staying at the tax payer supplied accommodation

 

He could of course become just an ordinary MP, get paid way less, but would then get the allowance.

 

 

 

And this is an extremely good reason for the tax payers to OWN the accommodation for all MPs so there can be no dishonesty.

 

It will also reduce the costs for security.

 

 




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  #3202230 1-Mar-2024 19:59
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How would I know what your employment contract says?

 

There is an opportunity cost to Luxon owning an apartment in Wellington and using it in lieau of other accomodation. If he sold that apartment (supposedly approximately $1 million) and put the money on term deposit he would recieve around $60k. I'd guess he would recieve a resonably similar amount in rent.

 

Claiming it was "free" for him to use the property and the capital isn't at all correct.

 

 

 

 

I dont recall saying its "free"

 

His opportunity cost exists whether he was an MP, a PM, at Air NZ or retired. His choice. He is not expending any extra costs, he will incur them anyway. he is not foregoing rent as he doesnt rent it.


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  #3202231 1-Mar-2024 20:01
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What about if he never owned an apartment in the first place?

 

 

He would buy one or rent one, at his cost, and be compensated by the $52k allowance


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  #3202232 1-Mar-2024 20:03
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Then he can live in the free house he already gets.

 

He's only there three days a week (according to what he said in the interview in Queenstown this afternoon) and since he's definitely working very hard for the betterment of NZ, most of that time he'll be in the office anyway so a dated and basic interior isn't going to kill him. And since he's the PM he can approve the repairs with a flick of a pen. I have no problem with Premier House being renovated (or replaced) in order to keep it up to scratch.

 

But I'm bloody well not paying for Premier House and giving him nearly a median annual wage tax free on top.

 

 

 

 

I wonder if he would have to declare it as "rental income" and pay tax on it ?


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  #3202234 1-Mar-2024 20:11
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The cynical part of me wonders if he used to do this sort of thing when he used to run an airline...a seat upgrade here and there for the wife, upgrade to first class for my cousin, free seat for Bill down the road...

 

Now he's trying something similar on as PM while at the same time jumping up and down about "cutting costs" and finding it's a very different ballgame.

 

Or maybe I have it all wrong.




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  #3202235 1-Mar-2024 20:15
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quickymart:

 

The cynical part of me wonders if he used to do this sort of thing when he used to run an airline...a seat upgrade here and there for the wife, upgrade to first class for my cousin, free seat for Bill down the road...

 

Now he's trying something similar on as PM while at the same time jumping up and down about "cutting costs" and finding it's a very different ballgame.

 

Or maybe I have it all wrong.

 

 

 

 

The fact his first instinct was to take the money....


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  #3202236 1-Mar-2024 20:22
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The cynical part of me wonders if he used to do this sort of thing when he used to run an airline...a seat upgrade here and there for the wife, upgrade to first class for my cousin, free seat for Bill down the road...

 

Now he's trying something similar on as PM while at the same time jumping up and down about "cutting costs" and finding it's a very different ballgame.

 

Or maybe I have it all wrong.

 

 

Thats speculation. Doesnt add value got the discussion. My issue is this is basic politics, keep your wick dry. But again he shows his lack of nous. Those before him did this and walked back but at least they were respected lawmakers. The guy needs managing as he cannot manage himself.


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  #3202244 1-Mar-2024 21:22
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Yes you're right, I was only speculating and as I said, I could be entirely wrong.

 

Having said that though, I agree with your comment that his handling of all this has been quite poor. He should have front-footed it as soon as possible, instead of doubling down and then letting an entire day pass, giving it a chance to become the news, before eventually deciding maybe it wasn't such a smart idea and then backtracking quite late in the day.

 

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/01/maiki-sherman-how-luxon-learned-a-tough-political-lesson-today/

 

 


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thinkingtrex8848: Sure, this one is not even a day old and not even the best (worst) example of what genpop thinks about our journos and MSM-


It's taken me a while to get back to this. I watched around 10 minutes of the q&a part. I think you'll forgive me for not watching the whole thing. There are reasons the Prime Minister does this and likewise there are reasons journalists do this.

It is very clear the Prime Minister entertains similar questions multiple times. On the Prime Minister's side it provides an opportunity to expand detail and emphasize. In some cases you'll find the answer is related or apportioned to the size of the audience for that media.

In days gone by it was extremely rare to see a press conference televised. Now it's easily available on YouTube.

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  #3202536 2-Mar-2024 19:35
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SaltyNZ:

Handle9:


I thought you used it to run your own private superfund



 


Yep, that was wrong too.



It wasn’t really but it looked bad. The taxpayer ended up paying the same amount

It’s why this stuff gets silly.

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  #3202542 2-Mar-2024 19:46
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gzt:
thinkingtrex8848: Sure, this one is not even a day old and not even the best (worst) example of what genpop thinks about our journos and MSM-


It's taken me a while to get back to this. I watched around 10 minutes of the q&a part. I think you'll forgive me for not watching the whole thing. There are reasons the Prime Minister does this and likewise there are reasons journalists do this.

It is very clear the Prime Minister entertains similar questions multiple times. On the Prime Minister's side it provides an opportunity to expand detail and emphasize. In some cases you'll find the answer is related or apportioned to the size of the audience for that media.

In days gone by it was extremely rare to see a press conference televised. Now it's easily available on YouTube.

 

What I glean from this was that life was great pre Labour win 2016. No, he didnt say that, but its heavily inferred with whatever ills we have was caused by the previous Govt. You hear that every speech so it must be true. To me, that infers easy fixes, as the disastrous efforts of the previous Govt are only 6 years or less caused. So cannot be that hard. But I look forward to July when we all get tax cuts that will greatly assist the inflation crisis that Labour caused....

 

I am still waiting for these fixes. Details, timelines, targets. Inflation, housing, infrastructure, heath, education. Easy to undo, not easy to do

 

I thought transparency was a thing? Maybe not


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  #3202585 3-Mar-2024 09:04
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It wasn’t really but it looked bad. The taxpayer ended up paying the same amount

It’s why this stuff gets silly.

 

 

 

That's why it was wrong - unfortunately we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. When the National Party does it, they mostly get away with it, it's expected from them. Only the most egregious behaviour gets enough attention to embarrass them, and even then it's got to be a pretty high bar before you get the boot. Witness: bedlegs Uffindell and Do You Know Who I Am Kuriger still around, not even a smack from the leader.

 

It's also AOK for Luxon to campaign on tax breaks for landlords when he owns 7 houses mortgage free, 4 of which are rentals. Like, how is this not being hammered relentlessly every day? There could not be a more clear and actual conflict of interest. Even the Americans expect their presidents to put their assets into a blind trust to remove any conflict of interest, and they're a cess pit of lawful open corruption.

 

When a Green Party MP slips up or even appears to slip up as in this case, it's potentially the end of a career for someone who was obviously morally degenerate and the scum of society, mitigating factors be damned. See Metiria Turei or Golriz Gharhaman (note, I don't mean Gharhaman should face no consequences, merely that lots of people including some here went completely OTT on how she must always have been bad etc. rather than allowing for the incredible stress she faced even more so than most MPs).

 

It extends to a lesser extent to Labour as well. Wood failed to properly declare $13K in airport shares he originally bought as a teenager and was involved in regulatory discussions about a completely different airport. Ultimately this cost him his job (FWIW I believe his story that he could not quickly find the details of how to sell shares he bought 30 years ago). 

 

So ultimately we need to be a lot more careful to not do something that looks even a little bit off. Even if, as you point out, it makes no actual difference.





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  #3202587 3-Mar-2024 09:08
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tdgeek:

 

I am still waiting for these fixes. Details, timelines, targets. Inflation, housing, infrastructure, heath, education. Easy to undo, not easy to do

 

I thought transparency was a thing? Maybe not

 



 

Personally, all I got out that Q&A was "I'm entitled. I'm entitled. I'm entitled. It's Chris Hipkins' fault. I'm entitled." He certainly is.





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