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#3203493 5-Mar-2024 20:07

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i was expecting (with low detail as the Coalition is new) on Inflation fixing, Police fixing, education fixing, health fixing, infrastructure fixing.

Im not seeing any of that.

I was not. I knew Labour wasn't doing a good job, but I didn't expect the current clown fiesta to be more useful than they were. They've done nothing but confirm my own bias against them so far. My personal hope for an own goal for them is their ego's get so big that they implode into utter dysfunctionality.

Today, National has very clear targets. All fully costed as usual. Got the votes. So, just do it. Labour, while some put the head in the sand where a number of new headwinds materialised, they actually did. Does that give Labour a free pass? No.

Nats, just do it, and tell us as well what you are putting in place.

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#3203547 6-Mar-2024 06:35

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Yeah the ACC component seems ludicrous. If it's risk based I don't know why they don't apply the same logic to skifield day passes, rugby club subscription etc.

Oh little Johnny's sub for the year at is $100 but the ACC is $1000.

NZR used to have a partnership with ACC, unsure if that is still the case but there was a recognition it was in everyone's interest to promote injury prevention for players, especially around things like warm-up, scrummaging and in recent years, headknocks.

Meanwhile, motorbike rider levies cover a fraction of the actual injuries ACC pays out on, and that's before you get to the actual risk profile of commuting using a vehicle that has literally no crash protection at all.

https://www.acc.co.nz/assets/business/6b35044f89/understand-motorcycle-levies-infographic.pdf

I read that infographic. I tried to look up ACC payouts but couldn't find anything that broke it down other than by sport. I realise motorcycling is inherently risky, but one other article I read showed that cycling had the most claims or payouts now. But that's pretty broad as well. I still think motorcyclists are a bit of an easy target in this regard.

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#3203560 6-Mar-2024 06:41

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Safer on my 656cc than someone on a 50cc scooter bike

I had no idea that scooters had such an expensive rego, 50cc is still $400 per year. Only $11 per year cheaper than my partner's KTM Duke. Big bikes (601cc and up) are $525 per year. No wonder there are fewer and fewer riders. Just buy an electric scooter or bike for your commute and avoid rego altogether.

Guess the CB650R I want puts me into max rego territory!

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#3203562 6-Mar-2024 06:57

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Safer on my 656cc than someone on a 50cc scooter bike

I had no idea that scooters had such an expensive rego, 50cc is still $400 per year. Only $11 per year cheaper than my partner's KTM Duke. Big bikes (601cc and up) are $525 per year. No wonder there are fewer and fewer riders. Just buy an electric scooter or bike for your commute and avoid rego altogether.

Guess the CB650R I want puts me into max rego territory!

Wow, I thought they were way cheap

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#3203589 6-Mar-2024 08:37

Just read this from back in the days before Brexit Boris Johnson: Yes, we will have £350m per week to spend on NHS after Brexit | Politics News | Sky News

"He said: "And yes - once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. It would be a fine thing as many of us have pointed out if a lot of that money went on the NHS, provided we use that cash injection to modernise and make the most of new technology."

This comments in the article seems like a description of New Zealand under National:

"A spokesman for Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the intervention had "laid bare the conflicts at the heart of Theresa May's Government".

"In the process he has exposed the Tories' real Brexit agenda - a race to the bottom in regulation and corporate tax cuts to benefit the wealthy few at the expense of the rights of the rest of us," he said."

The funny bit at the end is hilarious and a premonition of things to come back then:

"Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable said the PM must "slap down" her Foreign Secretary, who he described as a "Poundland Donald Trump"."

It sounds like advice fit for our Prime Minister to slap down some of the coalition partners.

Oh, the Foreign Secretary back then, described as a "Poundland Donald Trump"? Boris Johnson.

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#3203605 6-Mar-2024 09:18

https://archive.ph/EoLVx >> disappointed to see not much commitment towards public transport in here, mostly all about as many roads as possible...but this is National, I suppose.

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#3203614 6-Mar-2024 09:33

A rugby team is in trouble with their bosses for adapting their haka with new words to describe the government as 'rednecks'.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350202200/hurricanes-reportedly-set-apologise-over-pouas-redneck-government-haka

So we've gone from an (alleged) coalition of chaos to a regime of rednecks.

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#3203697 6-Mar-2024 12:04

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A rugby team is in trouble with their bosses for adapting their haka with new words to describe the government as 'rednecks'.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350202200/hurricanes-reportedly-set-apologise-over-pouas-redneck-government-haka

So we've gone from an (alleged) coalition of chaos to a regime of rednecks.

Maybe the translation given by the article was the intent maybe it was not.
Slang does not seem to fit for those that are more Landlords, Landed Gentry, with Evangelical surety of their superiority and that wealth is right.

The literal meaning may be different and even better.
Vagaries of GPT, and maybe a Māori speaker can confirm the literal vs colloquial meaning.

Kakiwhero:
Literal Translation: “Red-skinned.”
Context and Historical Background:
When the Māori encountered English Europeans, they noticed the distinctive red coats worn by British soldiers.
These red coats were part of the British military uniform during that era.
The term Kakiwhero was used to describe these red-coated individuals.
Symbolism and Meaning:
Beyond its literal translation, Kakiwhero also carries connotations related to the arrival of outsiders, colonization, and cultural differences.
It represents the encounter between the indigenous Māori and the European settlers.
The red coats symbolize the foreign presence and the impact it had on Māori society.

The term Redneck with the USA historical context that gets tied up with it.
Māori context looks more interesting.

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#3203760 6-Mar-2024 12:59

David Seymour wants future where every student intervention is tracked, including school lunch - NZ Herald

In an interview with BusinessDesk, Seymour said he hoped the Government would make progress on an ambitious student data collection programme to track the effectiveness of the Government’s various student interventions — such as school lunches.

Seymour said assessing the value for money of the Ka Ora, Ka Ako school lunch programme was very difficult, given the lack of metrics put in place early on and the long lead time needed to properly judge some of its effects.

There is one way to explain the stupidity:

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#3203778 6-Mar-2024 13:59

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David Seymour wants future where every student intervention is tracked, including school lunch - NZ Herald

In an interview with BusinessDesk, Seymour said he hoped the Government would make progress on an ambitious student data collection programme to track the effectiveness of the Government’s various student interventions — such as school lunches.

Seymour said assessing the value for money of the Ka Ora, Ka Ako school lunch programme was very difficult, given the lack of metrics put in place early on and the long lead time needed to properly judge some of its effects.

Exactly how much is this "ambitious student data collection program" going to cost? If it was anywhere less than double what the schools in lunches program cost, I'd be surprised.

Theres lies, damned lies and statistics.....

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#3203780 6-Mar-2024 14:01

Advocate accuses Government of failing children, slams military-style boot camps but Minister says youth crime is 'out of control'

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/advocate-accuses-government-of-failing-children-slams-military-style-boot-camps-but-minister-says-youth-crime-is-out-of-control.html

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"

Never in the history of mankind has more brutality ever solved a problem.

What next , guns ? , public hangings, whipping posts, keel hauling , parading down the street naked "shame, shame, shame" alla GoTs...

Do you know what causes most of this, POVERTY, and you want to take school lunches away now too.

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#3203786 6-Mar-2024 14:31

sir1963: Advocate accuses Government of failing children, slams military-style boot camps but Minister says youth crime is 'out of control'

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/advocate-accuses-government-of-failing-children-slams-military-style-boot-camps-but-minister-says-youth-crime-is-out-of-control.html

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"

Clearly this program was thought up by someone who doesn't know how hard it is to get a teenager to do something if they dont want to.

It will probably run something like this.

Day 1

Right you lot, get out of bed now ! It's 5AM.

Nah. Don wannu.

Get out of bed now !!

Nah.

Get out of bed or I'll make your life hell !

??? That was quick

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#3203787 6-Mar-2024 14:33

https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/03/05/luxons-failure-to-launch/ >> failure to launch, indeed.

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#3203789 6-Mar-2024 14:49

elpenguino:

Clearly this program was thought up by someone who doesn't know how hard it is to get a teenager to do something if they dont want to.

It will probably run something like this.

Day 1

Right you lot, get out of bed now ! It's 5AM.

Nah. Don wannu.

Get out of bed now !!

Nah.

Get out of bed or I'll make your life hell !

??? That was quick

It was actually thought up by people with very low imagination.

They from their point of privilege think that kind of punishment is the answer.
Problem is, these kids have nothing, they have nothing to lose, that happens with poverty. Taking something off people that they dont have is stupid, it can't and wont work.
OOOOoooo...punishment...for kids living in houses of abuse and violence is far worse, all you are doing is saying to these kids "We hate you too", so they hate back.

Give them 3 meals a day at school
Have smaller class sizes, every kid you keep out of prison is $150k a year saved.
more flexibility is what is taught, you are better off having a kid engaged for 3 hours a day than not turning up. Get retired trades people involved, teaching them building, bike repairs, gardening, Maori carving, rock climbing. Teaching kids they can do things, they can win, they have value then gently gives them the idea they now have something to lose (and you do not need to tell them or threaten them with it). Give them multiple goes at it, they are going to screw up, but forgiveness and "lets have another go" will achieve more that "The beatings will continue until morale improves".
Take government funding away from private schools and put it into schools of need, and charter schools can go get stuffed too.

Work with these kids for 10+ years, so they have a chance of a job, a life, of being able to earn money and respect from their community, not a gang.

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#3203881 6-Mar-2024 19:35

sir1963: Advocate accuses Government of failing children, slams military-style boot camps but Minister says youth crime is 'out of control'

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/03/advocate-accuses-government-of-failing-children-slams-military-style-boot-camps-but-minister-says-youth-crime-is-out-of-control.html

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"

Never in the history of mankind has more brutality ever solved a problem.

What next , guns ? , public hangings, whipping posts, keel hauling , parading down the street naked "shame, shame, shame" alla GoTs...

Do you know what causes most of this, POVERTY, and you want to take school lunches away now too.

But we get tax cuts so that will Make NZ Great Again. We can then spend that on extra fuel taxes, school lunches, higher bus fares, /tipoftheiceberg

End of the day this is about grabbing every dollar for tax cuts. Yet tax cuts are wasteful. Singles on low income get didly squat. Middle incomes get bugger all. High incomes also get bugger all, but at least they can send that to Canary Island investment accounts. Families with kids get looked after, up to $250 per fortnight but that was fake. Remove the small tax cuts from middle and upper NZ and give then to low income singles and boost those with kids. At least you can say the tax cuts that NZ cannot actually afford (but voteworthy) at least were targeted.

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