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#3214249 4-Apr-2024 16:04

Well execs like Mr. IUsedToSellDetergent are big on their KPIs and SLAs (with service credits). So just think: if your house falls down, you may be eligible for a partial refund on the steel mesh in the concrete slab that turned out to be string stiffened with candle wax!

Cynicism aside: as long as they do do it right, this is a good thing.

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#3214277 4-Apr-2024 18:49

gzt: Building product standards from other comparable countries will be recognised by NZ. First positive policy announcement I can recall so far:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/04/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-announces-plan-to-make-building-easier-and-cheaper.html

It sounds good. I'm struggling to understand what this means in practice. I see China sourced windows being installed I assume those are already legal. I'm aware there is a lot of China sourced ply around. Electrical already legal I think. Reinforced steel joist and similar steel building products perhaps? Structural wood products maybe?

I agree with that. On one side its stick to the usual, or lets be sensible and not narrow minded. As long as its not quantity over quality/safety.

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#3214975 6-Apr-2024 10:53

A very amusing (satirical) take on Nicola Willis and her handling of the ferry saga: https://archive.ph/mXZaD

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#3215068 6-Apr-2024 14:19

RNZ has a little more detail on the building proposals

RadioNZ: Construction Minister Chris Penk announced on Thursday.

He said it was currently about "50 percent more expensive to build a stand-alone house here than in Australia".

The changes announced include:

Recognising building product standards from trusted overseas jurisdictions, removing the need for designers or builders to verify standards.

Requiring building consent authorities to accept the use of products that comply with specific overseas standards that are equivalent to or higher than those in New Zealand.

Approving the use of building products certified through reputable certification schemes overseas. For example, the approval of one Australian scheme, WaterMark, could immediately provide Kiwis with access to 200,000 products.

Penk said the government hoped to pass legislation to enable this structure by the end of 2024.

There is a video I haven't watched it yet. Some obvious handwaving over the detail for now. Apparently Luxon dropped a clanger: "Christopher Luxon pointed to North America, saying "great houses are being built in other countries around the world that have equal if not better standards than New Zealand". Well.. um.. that could be interesting.

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#3215417 8-Apr-2024 08:27

Throughout the last government, there was a constant stream of posts on the Jacinda thread highlighting the problems and failures of the government, as well as others criticising various aspects of politicians, policy and implementation. This time, I get the impression that the vocal critics of then seem surprisingly silent. There are some comments, but nothing like before. Am I reading that correctly?

If so, why so quiet? Is this government really doing so much better or have the vocal critics of progressive politics gone on holiday? I am not taking a stance on this, just asking the question. Where has all the ‘constructive’ criticism gone?

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#3215444 8-Apr-2024 08:52

Rikkitic:

Throughout the last government, there was a constant stream of posts on the Jacinda thread highlighting the problems and failures of the government, as well as others criticising various aspects of politicians, policy and implementation. This time, I get the impression that the vocal critics of then seem surprisingly silent. There are some comments, but nothing like before. Am I reading that correctly?

If so, why so quiet? Is this government really doing so much better or have the vocal critics of progressive politics gone on holiday? I am not taking a stance on this, just asking the question. Where has all the ‘constructive’ criticism gone?

I assume you mean, where are the right/conservative leaning critics? Because as far as the left leaners go, this government is just one horrific decision after another. I mean, I read an interview this morning where even Matthew Hooton was on the record saying Luxon made a grievous error agreeing to Act's Treaty Principles Bill. You know things are off the wall when Hooton starts sounding like a thoughtful moderate.

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#3215452 8-Apr-2024 09:00

SaltyNZ:

I assume you mean, where are the right/conservative leaning critics? Because as far as the left leaners go, this government is just one horrific decision after another. I mean, I read an interview this morning where even Matthew Hooton was on the record saying Luxon made a grievous error agreeing to Act's Treaty Principles Bill. You know things are off the wall when Hooton starts sounding like a thoughtful moderate.

What I mean is where are all the loudmouths who had so much to complain about when the last government was in power? I could mention some specific names but will refrain from doing so.

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#3215496 8-Apr-2024 10:48

Rikkitic:

SaltyNZ:

I assume you mean, where are the right/conservative leaning critics? Because as far as the left leaners go, this government is just one horrific decision after another. I mean, I read an interview this morning where even Matthew Hooton was on the record saying Luxon made a grievous error agreeing to Act's Treaty Principles Bill. You know things are off the wall when Hooton starts sounding like a thoughtful moderate.

What I mean is where are all the loudmouths who had so much to complain about when the last government was in power? I could mention some specific names but will refrain from doing so.

It's to be expected. National supporters will criticise what Labour does, and be more forgiving of National's errors. Just like Labour supporters are critical of National, but more lenient on Labour.

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#3215497 8-Apr-2024 10:52

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It's to be expected. National supporters will criticise what Labour does, and be more forgiving of National's errors. Just like Labour supporters are critical of National, but more lenient on Labour.

Forgiving is one thing. Deaf dumb and blind is another.

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#3215600 8-Apr-2024 12:26

Rikkitic:

Throughout the last government, there was a constant stream of posts on the Jacinda thread highlighting the problems and failures of the government, as well as others criticising various aspects of politicians, policy and implementation. This time, I get the impression that the vocal critics of then seem surprisingly silent. There are some comments, but nothing like before. Am I reading that correctly?

If so, why so quiet? Is this government really doing so much better or have the vocal critics of progressive politics gone on holiday? I am not taking a stance on this, just asking the question. Where has all the ‘constructive’ criticism gone?

Seems to me that so far, this Government is just doing what it promised it would do pre election. No great surprises yet, other than how in debt we are.

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#3215609 8-Apr-2024 12:34

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No great surprises yet

True. Repealing everything the previous government did without having any plan to replace it was completely expected given the coalition is run by Peters & Seymour.

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#3215616 8-Apr-2024 12:44

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Seems to me that so far, this Government is just doing what it promised it would do pre election. No great surprises yet, other than how in debt we are.

And that the public service managed to add 2,500 extra staff in the 6 months to December 2023. That was a great surprise especially after the former Finance Minister asked departments to look for $4bn savings over four years, and in the face of a change in Government that indicated that it wanted a smaller public sector. Surprising bordering on reckless.

It turned the surprising low employment numbers into a non-surprise. We know now why unemployment has tracked up as expected, they can stop employing public servants.

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#3215665 8-Apr-2024 12:52

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Bluntj:

Seems to me that so far, this Government is just doing what it promised it would do pre election. No great surprises yet, other than how in debt we are.

And that the public service managed to add 2,500 extra staff in the 6 months to December 2023. That was a great surprise especially after the former Finance Minister asked departments to look for $4bn savings over four years, and in the face of a change in Government that indicated that it wanted a smaller public sector. Surprising bordering on reckless.

It turned the surprising low employment numbers into a non-surprise. We know now why unemployment has tracked up as expected, they can stop employing public servants.

Like Doctors, Nurses, Police, University staff, teachers ?

And we have the destruction of lunches in school because of "Waste", yet it improved all of the metrics used. Instead we will have longer/tougher/3 strikes sentences which cost $150,000 plus per person for every year in jail.

As for fines for not being at school, well if seymour wants "fair" the fines should be based on family income less minimum wage and then a percentage of the remaining income. So someone making half a million a year finds they are up for a $10k fine, ie something that will hurt just as much as a $100 fine would for someone on minimum wage.

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#3215671 8-Apr-2024 13:04

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Like Doctors, Nurses, Police, University staff, teachers ?

That's fine - the Party of Law & Order has been offering police less pay than the previous government did. That should reduce some public sector job numbers.

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#3215672 8-Apr-2024 13:15

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ockel:

And that the public service managed to add 2,500 extra staff in the 6 months to December 2023. That was a great surprise especially after the former Finance Minister asked departments to look for $4bn savings over four years, and in the face of a change in Government that indicated that it wanted a smaller public sector. Surprising bordering on reckless.

It turned the surprising low employment numbers into a non-surprise. We know now why unemployment has tracked up as expected, they can stop employing public servants.

Like Doctors, Nurses, Police, University staff, teachers ?

And we have the destruction of lunches in school because of "Waste", yet it improved all of the metrics used. Instead we will have longer/tougher/3 strikes sentences which cost $150,000 plus per person for every year in jail.

As for fines for not being at school, well if seymour wants "fair" the fines should be based on family income less minimum wage and then a percentage of the remaining income. So someone making half a million a year finds they are up for a $10k fine, ie something that will hurt just as much as a $100 fine would for someone on minimum wage.

Obviously you know that Doctors and Nurses are employed by HealthNZ and, thanks to the tricky of definition, arent included in the public sector total that was released under the OIA. And that teachers typically leave during the year, less likely to add more teachers ahead of graduation from Uni, so more likely to track down than up in that 6m period. Universities have been cutting staff, not employing more, as per media reports over the last 12 months. And police are leaving to go to Australia, the recruits coming out of police college plus any we attract from overseas means that the 500 new officers targeted for the first 2 years of this Government are "challenging" according to the new Minister (after being called out by the Opposition for promising them over 3 years).

So all of your categories seem some what discounted. It begs the question, What The are those extra 2500 people actually doing? And if the public sector sheds 2,500 staff (of which the media reports of job losses doesnt get close to) then we're only back to Jun 30 2023 of an extremely bloated ineffective public service.

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