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#3199765 25-Feb-2024 10:38

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tweake: tho their kids story on the sea glider, ie using kids to push big business, is the most malicious thing they have done. i don't think you can explain that away with stupidity as an excuse.

It is not a big business. It is a high risk venture to say the least. Imo it's a fun story for kids who like planes and tech. In a few years some of those kids might grow up and join geekzone to ask where those cool ground effect planes went.

yeah right. they did 5-6 stories trying to sell a concept that wasn't even prototyped.

that was only done because a certain big investor is kiwi and clearly pulled strings to push the products into nz. stuff helped out with free advertising. the kids where simply used as part of a marketing campaign for a usa company so existing investors can offload. thats not a fun story for tech that has yet to exist (they still havn't rolled out a full sized prototype).

using kids for adults dirty work is just downright feral.

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#3199769 25-Feb-2024 10:49

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......I really don't get how people get themselves on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt without even thinking about what could possibly go wrong.

but 9 out of 10 housing media stories is how to make money from housing (and the one that says the opposite disappears). there is a huge industry telling people housing doubles every 10 years and you have to be in to win. that housing market always go up, its a safe investment. combine that with nz's culture of making money from their own homes.

even now with national reversing rules and putting the brakes on building more housing. the industry pushed hard to get govt to make house prices go up. thats why national got voted in even tho they openly said they would trash the housing market. people want prices to go up so it looks like they are rich. nz obsession with making money from housing.

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#3199773 25-Feb-2024 10:57

tweake:

but 9 out of 10 housing media stories is how to make money from housing (and the one that says the opposite disappears).

The bold text right there screams "conspiracy theory".

I am trying to say it nicely, but to no effect, so I will be clear.

From the start of this topic the whole "media removes things because it's in the pocket of someone" is a conspiracy theory if I ever seen it.

If you have evidence, present it.

Sure, some media have interests - Fox News, for example. I don't think there is this type of media in New Zealand mainstream.

Stories that disappear from the front page are not evidence. This happens all the time. It's a limited space.

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#3199797 25-Feb-2024 11:23

yeah right. they did 5-6 stories trying to sell a concept that wasn't even prototyped.

As I recall The Herald did several stories as did TV3 and I think TVNZ. Does this mean they're all in on the alleged conspiracy?

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#3199861 25-Feb-2024 14:49

freitasm:

Stories that disappear from the front page are not evidence. This happens all the time. It's a limited space.

but thats not strictly true. plenty of old stories stay on the front page. not even good stories. most old stories get moved on eventually. certain stories get taken down fast, sometimes in hours.

media plays the game, just look at all the "house for sale" stories that they put out. but no anyone who noticed it is a conspiracy theory nut job. no wonder people are not talking these days.

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#3199863 25-Feb-2024 14:51

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yeah right. they did 5-6 stories trying to sell a concept that wasn't even prototyped.

As I recall The Herald did several stories as did TV3 and I think TVNZ. Does this mean they're all in on the alleged conspiracy?

they did a couple. i didn't see anyone else who did the amount stuff did.

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#3199864 25-Feb-2024 14:52

tweake:

freitasm:

Stories that disappear from the front page are not evidence. This happens all the time. It's a limited space.

but thats not strictly true. plenty of old stories stay on the front page. not even good stories. most old stories get moved on eventually. certain stories get taken down fast, sometimes in hours.

media plays the game, just look at all the "house for sale" stories that they put out. but no anyone who noticed it is a conspiracy theory nut job. no wonder people are not talking these days.

Ever heard of A/B testing?

One way they could be doing it: put two different stories on the front page. One set of users see Story A, another set sees Story B.

At the end of a few hours the story that attracted more clicks is shown to all users.

Maximise exposure, clicks, and attention. And no conspiracy involved.

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#3199890 25-Feb-2024 16:57

tweake: they did a couple. i didn't see anyone else who did the amount stuff did.

Probably just means they found engagement and clicks very high on Ocean Flyer stories so add another one. 'No prototype' is not correct:

I completely agree Ocean Flyer have nothing close to the scale proposed if that's what you mean. I'd be surprised if it's a good fit for NZ but you never know I guess.

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#3199892 25-Feb-2024 17:09

tweake:
freitasm:

Stories that disappear from the front page are not evidence. This happens all the time. It's a limited space.

but thats not strictly true. plenty of old stories stay on the front page. not even good stories. most old stories get moved on eventually. certain stories get taken down fast, sometimes in hours.

media plays the game, just look at all the "house for sale" stories that they put out. but no anyone who noticed it is a conspiracy theory nut job. no wonder people are not talking these days.

They play what game?

What is the benefit for the media?

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#3199922 25-Feb-2024 19:15

NZ Herald's OneRoof and the Waterfront house sells for $1 type story is always going to get clicks. Kind of sad really but that's the way it is. As long as people keep clicking as most people seem to do including the people who complain the most and keep clicking, they will keep publishing those.

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#3199934 25-Feb-2024 20:04

gzt: NZ Herald's OneRoof and the Waterfront house sells for $1 type story is always going to get clicks. Kind of sad really but that's the way it is. As long as people keep clicking as most people seem to do including the people who complain the most and keep clicking, they will keep publishing those.

Its all self interest. The more that NZME, as owner of OneRoof and the NZH, can garner interest the more advertising (both online and in print) they can sell. And market to real-estate agents these gimmicky marketing ideas that will get them promoted in the media.

Theres no conspiracy about real estate stories in Stuff or the NZHerald. Its all about eyeballs, clicks, advertising, marketing (esp for real estate agents) and self interest. When puff pieces from bloggers dont get the eyeballs to sustain them (because they actually have little real information other than one persons unsubstantiated opinion) then they disappear below the fold and rapidly towards the back page (in old media speak).

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#3200019 26-Feb-2024 08:13

Well we've certainly strayed a long way from the original topic.

Regardless: successive governments have set the policies which led inexorably to spiraling house prices, and those people who invested in it are a powerful lobby resisting any policy which might attempt to reverse course. Because I got mine, bugger you. You like recycling? How about I recycle this ladder I just climbed up. You can make your own out of avocado seeds.

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