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  # 2250852 4-Jun-2019 09:12
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frednz:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Some pretty childish answers here to a serious question. Personally, I think we deserve to choke on our sh!t and we probably will.

 

 

I agree, but I guess some people like to make light of serious problems as they don't want to face up to the reality of having to do something about them!

 

For example, some people simply say that they aren't doing anything at all about global warming, possibly because they aren't aware that there are a few basic things that everyone can do, such as:

 

Buying LED bulbs, doing online shopping, using cold water when doing the washing, turning off the lights when not needed, using the "FlyNeutral" option when selecting air tickets, eating less meat, and using the car less by walking short distances, etc.

 

And, if you can afford it, buy an electric vehicle, even if it's only a "relatively" cheap second-hand one. 

 

There are lots of other ways of helping to reduce our emissions, but the main thing is the awareness that doing nothing at all isn't good enough, there's always something that everyone can do, even if this takes a bit of effort from time to time!

 

 

Agree. My gripe is that global leaders aren't doing enough and wont, because of money and votes. But that also applies to the little people too


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  # 2250855 4-Jun-2019 09:16
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Perhaps the answer to the Fermi paradox is that species reaching a certain technological threshold can't/won't transition away from older technologies in time to prevent ecological collapse 





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  # 2250867 4-Jun-2019 09:30
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NZs only noticeable contribution to stop climate change - stop animal farming. But NZ economy based around agriculture and export. So will never happen, we can't even save our glaciers yet to think about global.





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  # 2250870 4-Jun-2019 09:36
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As per capita contribution to greenhouse gas emission very closely correlates with per capita GDP, the exceptions to that general rule might be a good place to start to find examples for solutions.

 

Not surprisingly, a list of countries with high GDP per capita that top the list are also countries usually cited as being examples of having good transparency, socially progressive, low corruption, and well educated.  Intermingled in the list are some of the most undeveloped countries with very low GDP.

 

One side would have us believe that the solution to environmental damage would destroy the economy and have us join the list of people who don't pollute because they can't afford to consume, but there are examples there of how that is not necessarily the case.

 

 


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  # 2250871 4-Jun-2019 09:41
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  # 2250907 4-Jun-2019 10:09
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The planet will be fine. 

 

Maybe nature has recognised it has made a mistake by allowing ‘intelligent’ beings with opposable digits to evolve to this extent.  It’s now doing its darndest to let the human race self-destruct.  The sooner we’re gone, the sooner nature can start restoring earth to its former green glory and in  a million, maybe 10 million, maybe 100 million years’ time, no-one will be able to tell we were ever here.





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  # 2250915 4-Jun-2019 10:18
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Its also possible that we end up the same as the solar system's hottest planet, Venus


 
 
 
 


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tdgeek:

 

nzrock:

 

If the sun has less of an effect on climate change that man,

 

then it must be mans' fault that the prevoius ice ages occurred, because he was not producing enough green house gasses.

 

or, if earth and mars swapped orbits, then earth would still be getting warmer because of man.

 

 

You need to learn more about this stuff. Learn about the cycle of the Earth's axis as just one example. then read graphs from millennia ago, get a feel for that, then read them from 1700AD onwards. Check 1980 onwards too

 

 

the cycle of the earths axis just shows how much effect that the sun has on our planet. what you need to do is look past the medias propaganda about climate change, to what is happening in the solar system as a whole and especially what is happening to the sun.

 

 


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  # 2250925 4-Jun-2019 10:41
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For everybody that has commented on this discussion,

 

who of you are willing to go on the record and answer the question below.

 

 

 

does man have more effect on the climate of this planet than the sun ??


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  # 2250936 4-Jun-2019 10:48
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nzrock:

 

For everybody that has commented on this discussion,

 

who of you are willing to go on the record and answer the question below.

 

 

 

does man have more effect on the climate of this planet than the sun ??

 

 

I personally don't know enough to make an informed decision from first principles myself, but I will let a bunch of rocket scientists and climate change scientists weigh in...

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

 

And their answer is yes, so I will go with that.

 

N.

 

ps. Your question is flawed. We don't need to have a greater effect than the sun to be a problem - we just need to change conditions enough for what is happening to happen.

 

 





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Can I lift a 2 ton weight? No, of course not!

 

Ah ok, but what if I'm allowed to use a lever? Now can I lift a 2 ton weight? Huh... I guess so :-)

 

 

 

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  # 2250942 4-Jun-2019 10:51
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nzrock:

 

what is happening to the sun.

 

 

What's happening to the sun?

 

We're in a deep solar minimum right now - after a very low solar maximum, but the world is still getting hotter.

 

One theory was that increased galactic cosmic radiation vs solar cosmic radiation would result in increased cloud seeding, thus higher albedo, thus cooling (or reduction in warming).  That doesn't seem to have happened.

 

Let's just say that the theory was right, which it probably isn't, yet warming is continuing anyway - which it is.  Then one might conclude that as solar activity increases - which it will, then we're going to fry.


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  # 2250944 4-Jun-2019 10:54
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nzrock: For everybody that has commented on this discussion,

 

who of you are willing to go on the record and answer the question below.

 

does man have more effect on the climate of this planet than the sun ??

 

 

 

In the big scheme of things, does it matter? Should we not try and remove as much human effect on the climate as possible?

 

Why shouldn't we try make the world a better place for future generations and a cleaner place for us all to live in?

 

Is it not arrogant to believe "it's going to happen anyway, may as well not try"?

 

 

 

Many scientists from many different backgrounds have said that Humans have more of an impact on Climate than the Sun at our current point in time.


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Mistenfuru:

 

nzrock: For everybody that has commented on this discussion,

 

who of you are willing to go on the record and answer the question below.

 

does man have more effect on the climate of this planet than the sun ??

 

 

 

In the big scheme of things, does it matter? Should we not try and remove as much human effect on the climate as possible?

 

Why shouldn't we try make the world a better place for future generations and a cleaner place for us all to live in?

 

Is it not arrogant to believe "it's going to happen anyway, may as well not try"?

 

 

 

Many scientists from many different backgrounds have said that Humans have more of an impact on Climate than the Sun at our current point in time.

 

 

You need to ask the leaders to ask their people if they are happy to spend x amount. and create a united global effort. Then it will happen and it would happen relatively easily. Reduce emmissions, increase factors that consume emmisions, thats a positive double edged sword. yes, we can do it, but we wont, as we need money to help buy votes, and oil and coal give is the money, cheaper. When oil and coal runs out we will be SOOO focussed on green energy 


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  # 2250952 4-Jun-2019 11:02
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I think it is a stupid question. Can a man outrun a cheetah? Can a weightlifter beat an elephant? It is comparing apples to oranges. If the sun went out tomorrow, nothing we could do would compensate for that. It doesn't matter whether or not we have more effect on the climate than the sun does. What matters is that we have some effect, and that is causing us big problems.

 

 





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