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#2414817 9-Feb-2020 01:54

$ speedtest -s 4953

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Vodafone New Zealand - Auckland (id = 4953)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 24.63 ms (0.36 ms jitter)
Download: 924.81 Mbps (data used: 1.5 GB)
Upload: 402.48 Mbps (data used: 708.9 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/136206e0-41e0-4c51-95bb-7bab8f9c
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$ speedtest -s 18401

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Windstream - Los Angeles, CA (id = 18401)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 148.49 ms (0.13 ms jitter)
Download: 905.55 Mbps (data used: 1.5 GB)
Upload: 120.17 Mbps (data used: 210.2 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/50c9e4b3-fa90-42cc-aa00-9aa48c06
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$ speedtest -s 16974

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Spectrum - Los Angeles, CA (id = 16974)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 151.19 ms (0.04 ms jitter)
Download: 936.71 Mbps (data used: 1.5 GB)
Upload: 134.57 Mbps (data used: 223.0 MB)
Packet Loss: Not available.
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/30dbc77f-965d-4f23-8ec4-7943c130dad3
$ speedtest -s 2629

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Telstra - Sydney (id = 2629)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 48.49 ms (0.24 ms jitter)
Download: 933.20 Mbps (data used: 1.3 GB)
Upload: 265.08 Mbps (data used: 359.0 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/d7946542-0e63-4e17-a78a-981a4604251d
$ speedtest -s 5935

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: MyRepublic - Singapore (id = 5935)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 320.71 ms (0.31 ms jitter)
Download: 819.76 Mbps (data used: 1.1 GB)
Upload: 79.09 Mbps (data used: 131.1 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/b355d1b7-5d3c-4d21-8edb-a70ec64279a4

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#2414850 9-Feb-2020 07:52

im truly bamboozled by the inconsistencies of results even from the same provider

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#2414861 9-Feb-2020 08:34

Jase2985:
im truly bamboozled by the inconsistencies of results even from the same provider

Time of day
Users Operating System
Web VS Console Speedtest App
Router
Wired Vs Wireless

all these factors make a difference

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#2414872 9-Feb-2020 09:26

nztim:
Jase2985:

im truly bamboozled by the inconsistencies of results even from the same provider

Time of day
Users Operating System
Web VS Console Speedtest App
Router
Wired Vs Wireless

all these factors make a difference

Definitely.

Here are two speed tests to the Windstream server from Ubuntu 19.10.

CUBIC TCP congestion control:

BBR TCP congestion control:

There's a big, repeatable difference in upload speed. The download part of the test didn't run long enough for either, but particularly BBR - was still ramping up when it stopped.

And this is the difference the CAKE shaper on my router makes, testing to Xtreme in Wellington (1 ms away). Back on Windows now, using CUBIC.

Off:

On (limits at 920,000 kbit/s down, 550,000 kbit/s up):

@Tracer's results are what you get at 1:45 am with a whole ISP network to yourself. If I'm free tonight, I might try running tests during peak time around 8 - 9 pm - that's probably going to be a big difference.

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#2415060 9-Feb-2020 14:22

nztim:
Jase2985:

im truly bamboozled by the inconsistencies of results even from the same provider

Time of day
Users Operating System
Web VS Console Speedtest App
Router
Wired Vs Wireless

all these factors make a difference

appreciate that, and i know all about the above but its just too inconsistent.

providers claim they have ample bandwidth so time of day shouldnt be a factor
OS shouldn't make a difference as those same users will be able to pull out a 900+/500+ speed test to their favorite server.
Router, see the previous one if they can do 900+/500+ to one server then the router isn't the issue.
Wired Vs Wireless, no one here is running a speedtest on a gigabit connection over wireless.

look at the massive differences in overseas speeds on the same provider. that's not down to user equipment.

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#2415274 9-Feb-2020 18:34

6 pm results

Vodafone, Auckland, NZ:

Windstream, Los Angeles, US:

Spectrum, Los Angeles, US:

Telstra, Sydney, AU:

MyRepublic, Singapore:

Here's off-network domestic throughput with open peers at roughly the same time.

Xtreme, Wellington:

Voyager, Auckland:

And Europe - NFOrce, Amsterdam:

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#2415276 9-Feb-2020 18:53

Jase2985:

providers claim they have ample bandwidth so time of day shouldnt be a factor

Having worked in the ISP/IT industry since 1998 I can tell you they there is not 1Gbps of international bandwidth from the ISP to the world for each customer who has a 1GBPS connection. You cannot expect max speed all the time, hence a test at 1am when less users are online is going to produce much better results than one at 6pm in the evening when everyone is gaming.

For the Corporate use Microsoft now carry Office 365 data internationally so that doesn't use the ISP's international bandwidth.

Also the fibre from your house to the local exchange is not a dedicated strand just for you. The GPON standard used in NZ (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) is a feed to from the exchange to a passive split to approximately 16 customers.

If you want 1GBPS all the time at any time you can an HSNS circuit, and 1GBPS of CIR (Committed Information Rate) International bandwidth from your ISP and see what the price tag will be.

The other thing is you have no idea from the international speedtest servers have in terms of international bandwidith

Finally speedtest.net is a lot less reliable than say IPERF tests

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#2415279 9-Feb-2020 19:12

nztim:

Having worked in the ISP/IT industry since 1998 I can tell you they there is not 1Gbps of international bandwidth from the ISP to the world for each customer who has a 1GBPS connection. You cannot expect max speed all the time, hence a test at 1am when less users are online is going to produce much better results than one at 6pm in the evening when everyone is gaming.

True However, Many providers, including network providers such as chorus have 'congestion free' networks, where they ensure there is always ample amounts of bandwidth for peak time utilization.

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#2415280 9-Feb-2020 19:26

hio77:

nztim:

Having worked in the ISP/IT industry since 1998 I can tell you they there is not 1Gbps of international bandwidth from the ISP to the world for each customer who has a 1GBPS connection. You cannot expect max speed all the time, hence a test at 1am when less users are online is going to produce much better results than one at 6pm in the evening when everyone is gaming.

True However, Many providers, including network providers such as chorus have 'congestion free' networks, where they ensure there is always ample amounts of bandwidth for peak time utilization.

That doesn't mean there is 1GBPS for each user on that plan at any time of the day which explains the fluctuation between all the people which posted their results here.

I just get frustrated when people expect 1gbps at 6pm in the evening and then whinge when they don't get it.

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#2415281 9-Feb-2020 19:28

nztim:

hio77:

nztim:

Having worked in the ISP/IT industry since 1998 I can tell you they there is not 1Gbps of international bandwidth from the ISP to the world for each customer who has a 1GBPS connection. You cannot expect max speed all the time, hence a test at 1am when less users are online is going to produce much better results than one at 6pm in the evening when everyone is gaming.

True However, Many providers, including network providers such as chorus have 'congestion free' networks, where they ensure there is always ample amounts of bandwidth for peak time utilization.

That doesn't mean there is 1GBPS for each user on that plan at any time of the day which explains the fluctuation between all the people which posted their results here.

I just get frustrated when people expect 1gbps at 6pm in the evening and then whinge when they don't get it.

Yeah fair enough. It does mean there is likely plenty of gigs still available.

at international so much of it comes into things like peering, Routing, latency, tcp congestion algorithm etc...

Personally i can almost always peg a 1G link to my machines in the Netherlands, but that's after alot of work optimizing things..

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#2415288 9-Feb-2020 19:53

hio77:

at international so much of it comes into things like peering, Routing, latency, tcp congestion algorithm etc...

Personally i can almost always peg a 1G link to my machines in the Netherlands, but that's after alot of work optimizing things..

Yup that is right!

do you have an IPERF running on your Netherlands Machine? if so DM me :)

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#2415299 9-Feb-2020 21:02

8:30 pm

Vodafone, Auckland, NZ:

Windstream, Los Angeles, US:

Spectrum, Los Angeles, US:

For comparison - 2degrees, Los Angeles, US:

Telstra, Sydney, AU:

MyRepublic, Singapore:

NFOrce, Amsterdam, NL:

Here's off-network domestic throughput with open peers at roughly the same time.

Xtreme, Wellington:

Voyager, Auckland:

Vocusgroup NZ, Auckland:

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#2415305 9-Feb-2020 21:13

Just after 9pm, 2d (see my earlier post for 1am, very different):

$ speedtest -s 4953

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Vodafone New Zealand - Auckland (id = 4953)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 48.96 ms (0.63 ms jitter)
Download: 68.89 Mbps (data used: 116.6 MB)
Upload: 258.25 Mbps (data used: 457.2 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/9726066f-ab9b-4a7d-9662-4cdfa43067d8

$ speedtest -s 18401

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Windstream - Los Angeles, CA (id = 18401)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 148.51 ms (6.05 ms jitter)
Download: 359.55 Mbps (data used: 510.2 MB)
Upload: 106.38 Mbps (data used: 184.2 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/10b380d9-9081-4f4d-b71b-2122efa1656a

$ speedtest -s 16974

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Spectrum - Los Angeles, CA (id = 16974)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 150.42 ms (4.69 ms jitter)
Download: 195.45 Mbps (data used: 259.2 MB)
Upload: 115.31 Mbps (data used: 150.8 MB)
Packet Loss: Not available.
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/277b196e-77db-4856-8511-5d83e924d6c5

$ speedtest -s 2629

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: Telstra - Sydney (id = 2629)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 48.68 ms (0.13 ms jitter)
Download: 942.61 Mbps (data used: 1.3 GB)
Upload: 285.93 Mbps (data used: 491.5 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/41bd36f5-cee0-4d64-9714-117183014b88

$ speedtest -s 5935

Speedtest by Ookla

Server: MyRepublic - Singapore (id = 5935)
ISP: 2degrees Broadband
Latency: 364.01 ms (7.35 ms jitter)
Download: 14.78 Mbps (data used: 19.6 MB)
Upload: 70.26 Mbps (data used: 118.3 MB)
Packet Loss: 0.0%
Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/c27db725-2d82-426e-aa85-0f097c1d9268

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#2415306 9-Feb-2020 21:14

Jase2985:

im truly bamboozled by the inconsistencies of results even from the same provider

Take a look above, just after 9pm.

matt1553

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#2415316 9-Feb-2020 21:42

For what it's worth, I'm pretty happy with the 8:30 pm results I posted. That's probably the worst the connection will perform under normal circumstances. Sure, there's room for improvement. But most of the time I'd actually be OK with a 200 / 20 connection, were it not for the low upload speed - that's the main reason I went gigabit.

Putting things in perspective, I could pay 2degrees $140 + GST per month for a 200 / 200 business connection and be confident in getting that speed almost all the time. Instead, I can pay $100 per month, GST inclusive, for a gigabit connection that almost always exceeds 200 / 200. That seems like a good deal.

10 years ago I was on ADSL 2 with Maxnet. Peak speed was something like 8 / 1 Mbit/s, being a few Ks from the exchange. Data cap was 60 GB per month. It cost $130 a month, plus GST. I remember calling support around that time, no idea what for now, but at the end of the call the guy asked if I'd be happy answering a couple of survey questions. They were looking at offering 100 Mbit/s fibre connections soon. Would I be interested, and how much would I be prepared to pay for it with the same 60 GB cap? Very interested, and if I could get it past the Mrs, $200 - $250 + GST a month seemed reasonable to me.

Give it a couple of years and 900 / 500 Mbit/s to anywhere at any time on a residential connection seems pretty likely.

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