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Topic # 204486 3-Oct-2016 23:16
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I've just managed to snag one of these. https://jolla.com/jollac/ 

 

I've been wanting to try out Sailfish OS for quite a while now. Sailfish is developed from Nokia's Meego, a platform which I really rate.  The guys at Jolla are ex Nokia employees.

 

The original Jolla 1 didn't have the right frequencies and Jolla tablet didn't materialise as planned.

 

Recently Intex of India released the Aqua Fish which runs Sailfish 2, unfortunately the frequencies are not what I need.

 

Then Jolla announced the Jolla C running Sailfish 2 for release to developers to enable them to build apps for the Jolla Store and to trial Beta versions of Sailfish. The Jolla C was only available for sale in parts of Europe and only 1000 or so were available. I've been lucky to pick one up second hand.

 

One thing they've done with Sailfish is build in a compatibility to run Android apps, to give Jolla owners a wider choice of apps while the Jolla app store builds up it's inventory. By all accounts the Android apps work well without too many issues. Having said that there is already a good selection of popular apps in the Jolla Store.

 

The phones specs are nothing special in comparison to other smartphones of today, in fact some things like the camera aren't as good as the Jolla 1. Apparently the screen isn't made of Gorilla glass either and a protector in a must. However for me it's the chance to be able to try out Sailfish that is important.  Sailfish 2 is apparently a big improvement over Sailfish 1. By all accounts the OS runs very well on relatively low spec hardware and there are good reports about it.

 

One of the features of Sailfish is there are no buttons (hardware or software wise) except for the power button and the volume rocker. Everything is done with swiping gestures across or up and down the screen. Because of this, pretty well everything action can be done single handed with the phone held in your palm and the thumb doing the work. In this regard it is similar to Meego.  New owners coming from Android or iOS initially find there is a a learning curve but when mastered they find their old OS clunky by comparison.

 

There are a couple of features not found in a lot of smartphones these days, a removable battery, dual sims slots, micro SD slot.

 

Once I've had a chance to use it for a while I'll report back with my thoughts, good and bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1648005 9-Oct-2016 14:53
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Hopefully they release better hardware in the near future, I have been waiting since Microsoft killed off Nokia and the MeeGo team.

 

I have had to go with Blackberry for my last 2 phones (Z10 and Passport) because they were the only company that was offering anything close to the N9's build quality and OS design..

 

 




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  Reply # 1648088 9-Oct-2016 16:56
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Yes, that hardware is average. From what I can tell it's a re-badged Intex Aqua Fish with some software tweaks.  The main difference is some of the in built options in the software and the operating frequencies. I'm using Spark and the Aqua Fish frequencies don't work for Spark.

 

The Aqua Fish is retailing in India for about $100 NZD.  The Jolla C was sold for 169 Euro. Either way you cannot expect a high spec phone for these prices.

 

I have been waiting for a worthy successor to the N9. I did seriously think about the Z10 or Z30 but didn't follow through in the end.

 

I bought the phone knowing the hardware wasn't top shelf, I wanted to try out the OS.  The N9 has a much nicer feel and seems to be much better built however so far I'm very impressed with the OS.

 

Turing dropped Android in favour of Sailfish and have moved their headquarters to Finland. Their phones look interesting. I think Fairphone may also be doing a Sailfish option. Sailfish is gaining traction and getting good reviews for a fledgling OS. It might not be long before it is the third major OS. smile

 

I'm hoping Nokia will announce a Sailfish handset in their line up once they re-enter the market.





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I'm hoping Nokia will announce a Sailfish handset in their line up once they re-enter the market.



They won't..... Why would they? Apart from a very few die hards, the ship has sailed (no pun intended) for the time being on new phone OS's. The market has made it's choices.

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  Reply # 1652391 17-Oct-2016 16:18
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Even the much hyped (which looked good too) Ubuntu Phone has failed to materialize into a marketable product. It's either the iBone or Android, anything else is going to have a hard time trying to take market share from these two.


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  Reply # 1652502 17-Oct-2016 20:29
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Someone has to start somewhere though, we can't be stuck with just Android and iOS unless we want the market to stagnate (which it is already)..

 

I think there are enough people in the market to sustain another OS provided they offer decent hardware, which has yet to be done, especially when Microsoft basically killed off their own mobile OS yet again.

 

 




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  Reply # 1652536 17-Oct-2016 21:33
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BrentR: They won't..... Why would they? Apart from a very few die hards, the ship has sailed (no pun intended) for the time being on new phone OS's. The market has made it's choices.

 

Why would they? To differentiate themselves from other manufacturers.  I don't see much sense in being just another Android brand.

 

No two ways about it, it will be a struggle to gain market share, but, any new OS has to start somewhere.

 

I wouldn't judge any new OS's chance of future success on the failure of the likes of Windows Phone. Microsoft have pretty well perfected the kiss of death on any mobile handset manufacturer and OS they lay the hands on.

 

I see one of the strengths of Sailfish is that it is a follow on from Meego which already had some runs on the board. I remember reading that several markets where the N9 was sold alongside Nokia's WP phones that the N9 outsold those WP phones.  That was despite the N9/Meego OS being orphaned by Nokia.

 

Jolla are working in emerging markets like India. The smart phone market is mature in most western countries, the big growth will be in places like India.  I believe Sailfish will gain critical mass in those markets and will spill out from there to other markets.





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  Reply # 1652570 17-Oct-2016 22:11
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Technofreak:

 

I remember reading that several markets where the N9 was sold alongside Nokia's WP phones that the N9 outsold those WP phones. 

 

 

I think that a $20 dumbphone would outsell windows phones so that is hardly a glowing endorsement of great sales.





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  Reply # 1652572 17-Oct-2016 22:13
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richms:

 

Technofreak:

 

I remember reading that several markets where the N9 was sold alongside Nokia's WP phones that the N9 outsold those WP phones. 

 

 

I think that a $20 dumbphone would outsell windows phones so that is hardly a glowing endorsement of great sales.

 

 

The N9 wasn't a $20 dumbphone?


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  Reply # 1652574 17-Oct-2016 22:14
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I never said it was.

 

$20 dumbphones sell well.

 

windows phone did not.

 

Selling more than windows phone is not an achievement.





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  Reply # 1652579 17-Oct-2016 22:24
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richms:  I think that a $20 dumbphone would outsell windows phones so that is hardly a glowing endorsement of great sales.

 

 

I agree. I wasn't trying to say the N9 was a big seller. My point was the N9 despite being disowned by its' OEM outsold a product that was much better promoted and supported by the same OEM. To me that speaks well of what the market thought of the N9 and its OS. Hence the comment "runs on the board".





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  Reply # 1657717 25-Oct-2016 20:55
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I’ve had the Jolla C for a week and a half now. My main focus is on the Sailfish OS though I will initially make some comments on the Jolla C hardware.

 

As I’ve previously mentioned my reason for purchasing the Jolla C was to experience Sailfish OS. The hardware is nothing world beating.  Remember this phone retailed for 169 Euro or $257 NZD.

 

  • Processor: 3 GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon™ 212
  • Cameras: 8 megapixel AF camera with LED flash, 2 megapixel front-facing camera
  • Display: 5″ IPS, 293 PPI HD (720*1280)
  • Memory: 16 GB storage 2 GB RAM MicroSD slot up to 32 GB
  • Battery: 2500 mAh li-on  User-replaceable battery
  • Dual sim
  • 3G and 4G

The three things of note are the dual sim slots and the user replaceable battery and the MicroSD slot. The build of the phone is quite OK though the case is susceptible to being easily dented. The screen is apparently not made of Gorilla Glass and it is recommended that a screen protector be used.  The rear cover fits well except for a portion along the bottom edge where there is some movement.

 

I’ve not used the camera much so far, it does a reasonable job though the forward facing camera has no flash and really struggles in poor light. Voice quality is good in both directions and the radio seems to provide good reception on 3G. I’ve only had 4G reception a few times and not able to give a fair comparison for 4G.

 

One major item missing is NFC communication, probably a reflection of the price of the device.

 

Overall the hardware is more than adequate especially for the price.





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  Reply # 1657723 25-Oct-2016 21:00
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Now for my thoughts on Sailfish.

 

Sailfish OS is now up to version 2, which was released with the Tablet and now the Jolla C. Jolla are regularly pushing out new updates. I updated the phone the day I got it and now as I type this I am downloading another update.

 

Despite the modest processor specs the OS is nice and fluid and works well without hanging or stutter.

 

Sailfish is gesture based, there are no home or back button, either as software buttons or hardware buttons unlike Android, iOS or Windows Phone. There is only 2 buttons, Power button and Vol Up/Down

 

Swiping left and right brings up either the notifications screen or the home screen which displays the running apps. Swiping up from the bottom in any screen opens the app screen.

 

Swiping down from the top in an app closes the app. Swiping down from the top of either the home or notification screens displays what is call ambiences, which are basically different profiles, e,g, Silent, Work, Home etc. 

 

Some pages like the Notifications screen have pulley menus. When a pulley menu is available there is a line at the top of the screen. The pulley menu on the Notifications screen gives quick access to such things as Airplane mode, Flashlight, WiFi hotspot mode. Some of these options are configurable depending on your preferences.

 

The pulley menu is used in a variety of other situations, e.g. when in the mail app, the pulley menu is used to open up a new email or to access the reply/forward options.

 

Other pages may have sub or master pages and the presence of these is denoted with a spot/star at the top right or left of the screen.  Access to these pages is by placing your finger on the screen and swiping either to the right or the left depending on which side the spot/star is.

 

It is very easy to access everything one handed, holding the phone in the palm of your hand and swiping with your thumb. The swiping actions can take a short while to get used to though having come from Meego which uses similar actions the learning curve wasn’t very steep.

 

Once mastered the swiping actions are very natural. Going back to an Android device you very quickly miss the swiping actions.

 

I think this OS has a future. I know some people will question the value of another OS. However I think there’s room for an alternative OS and the opportunity for handset manufacturers to have an OS that differentiates them from other manufacturers. 

 

There’s already a strong Sailfish community making good native apps. When you add in the ability to run most Android apps I think the reluctance to a new OS reduces considerably.





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  Reply # 1657737 25-Oct-2016 21:20
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Apps and features

 

There are some cool features. Holding you figure in the middle of the screen when you rotate the phone stops the screen rotating, handy when viewing photos. The “Remorse” function is good, when you delete something you see a 5 second count down during which you can stop the action taking place.

 

The OS is very much in its infancy. I discovered an issue with not being able to receive pictures via MMS. I was able to download a MMS logger app and send the results off to Jolla. I had a reply within an hour acknowledging a bug.

 

Within 24 hours I had been sent a patch to install and try out. The patch was easily installed from an email, problem solved and the bug will be addressed in an OS update very shortly. I was very impressed with the way they dealt with the issue.

 

There is access to the Jolla Store with native Jolla apps. There’s native weather, Twitter, Facebook, You Tube, Here WeGo, plus many many other apps.

 

There is an option to enable Android support to allow the running of Android apps. Access to Yandex and Aptoid Stores is pre installed, so there’s a good choice of apps. Side loading apps isn’t a problem either.  The Sailfish Pebble app isn’t in the Jolla Store but was easily side loaded and it is well featured and works flawlessly. It’s given my Pebble Steel a new lease of life.

 

Not all Android apps work, those that need Google Play Services won’t work or will have limitations. 

 

Pretty well all of the apps in Yandex and Aptoid that I have tried work just as if they were on an Android device. I have LinkedIn, Skype, Send Anywhere, AnkiDroid, Opera (yes, Opera is still the best mobile browser IMHO), plus others,

 

My only comment with the Android apps is they don’t follow the Sailfish swiping protocols and seem clunky in comparison to the native Jolla apps. You have to remember to use the soft back buttons etc in the Android apps.

 

So far I'm very impressed with Sailfish. Sure there are one or two rough edges, likw the MMS issue mentioned earlier, but there's not many. One little thing I miss is not being able to attach a picture from within the messaging app. Attachments have to be done from the attachment source, i.e. a photo needs to be attached from inside the gallery app. The Jolla community provide feedback on features and the Jolla team are slowly picking off various little features. For example one part of today's update enabled conference calling.

 

Hopefully it's not too long before Sailfish is installed in a higher spec handset.

 

That's it for now, I'll add more as time goes along. I'm happy to answer any questions.





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My E63 with Python installed still gives the best degree of freedom and speed to write your own app and run it on the fly. IOS and Android have annoying restrictions. And forget about WP.

 

I definitely look forward to Sailfish.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1729656 3-Mar-2017 22:32
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Announced this week at Mobile World Congress, 

 

Jolla adds support for Sailfish OS on Sony Mobile’s Xperia™ devices

 

https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sony_Jolla_press_release_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf?x12599 

 

Jolla is partnering with Sony via Sony's Open Devices Programme. The first supported Sony device is the Xperia X with others to follow.  Certainly looks to be a handset with good hardware to show off Sailfish OS (SFOS). 





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