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Topic # 115550 29-Mar-2013 14:02
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In a year I am returning to NZ after living in Australia for 30 years. At present I have an eight year old system that I wish to upgrade. New TV and a twin tuner PVR, maybe a Top Field or MagicTV or a Samsung BD-E8900A PVR/Blu-Ray player. At present I have the following set-up.

PVR = Sony SVR-HD700 (HD digital) [no FreeView, only station EPG]
TV = Sony KVHR32M31 76cm wide screen (I will definitely be replacing this)
AV Reciever = Sony STR-DB790
DVD = Sony DVP-NS52P (multi zone)

I am mainly referring to the broadcast standards used in each country. I have heard about FreeView using MHEG-5 IC in both countries for the EPG and MPEG-2 for SD and MPEG-4 for HD. All a bit confusing.

But more to the point I have heard that my Sony PVR will not work in NZ due to the differences in the audio broadcast standards and something about Aussie 7 MHz and Kiwi 8 MHz, again all a bit confusing.

I would like very much to still be able to use my Sony AV Receiver, it is of very good quality and suits all my needs.

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  Reply # 789261 29-Mar-2013 14:12
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simply put any digital PVR or TV from the Australian market will not work in NZ as the standards used in each country are different, although there are a few exceptions for example "Series 3 Tivo" will work in either, your best bet is to contact your PVR/TV maker and ask them



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  Reply # 789276 29-Mar-2013 14:38
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gregmcc: simply put any digital PVR or TV from the Australian market will not work in NZ as the standards used in each country are different, although there are a few exceptions for example "Series 3 Tivo" will work in either, your best bet is to contact your PVR/TV maker and ask them


Thank you for your very quick reply. I did try a couple of years ago to contact Sony but they just pointed me to the product specification sheet - not very helpful.

So, since leaving Kiwi Land in the early 80's the TV broadcast landscape has changed traumatically since the 3 channels of that era.

So I am going to be in the market for some new TV receiving equipment. I will be living in the Bay of Plenty area. I am not very interested in pay TV, tried it once here in Aussie and found I was wasting my money as I was watching more free to air than pay TV. Now I know Sydney has more FTA programming (20 channels) than NZ.

My question is will I need a terrestrial or satellite receiver in the BOP area if all I want is FTA channels? (I would prefer a two channel receiver/recorder)

Also I have heard that if you use terrestrial you need two aerials as one of the FTA channels uses a completely different signal. (Prime I think it is called)

If these questions have been asked before in the forums recently please do point me to those posts. (e.g. overseas coming to live in NZ what do I need etc.)

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  Reply # 789277 29-Mar-2013 14:40
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FineWine: My question is will I need a terrestrial or satellite receiver in the BOP area if all I want is FTA channels? (I would prefer a two channel receiver/recorder)

Depends where in the BOP you'll be. Tauranga/Rotorua/Whakatane get terrestrial, Kawerau/Edgecumbe/Opotiki do not.

FineWine: Also I have heard that if you use terrestrial you need two aerials as one of the FTA channels uses a completely different signal. (Prime I think it is called)

I don't know where you heard that but it's completely false. All terrestrial channels (with the exception of some regional ones) are available from all transmitters.



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  Reply # 789280 29-Mar-2013 14:55
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Sorry - I will be living in the Tauranga/Mt Maunganui area.




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  Reply # 789288 29-Mar-2013 15:10
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FineWine:
gregmcc: simply put any digital PVR or TV from the Australian market will not work in NZ as the standards used in each country are different, although there are a few exceptions for example "Series 3 Tivo" will work in either, your best bet is to contact your PVR/TV maker and ask them


Thank you for your very quick reply. I did try a couple of years ago to contact Sony but they just pointed me to the product specification sheet - not very helpful.

So, since leaving Kiwi Land in the early 80's the TV broadcast landscape has changed traumatically since the 3 channels of that era.

So I am going to be in the market for some new TV receiving equipment. I will be living in the Bay of Plenty area. I am not very interested in pay TV, tried it once here in Aussie and found I was wasting my money as I was watching more free to air than pay TV. Now I know Sydney has more FTA programming (20 channels) than NZ.

My question is will I need a terrestrial or satellite receiver in the BOP area if all I want is FTA channels? (I would prefer a two channel receiver/recorder)

Also I have heard that if you use terrestrial you need two aerials as one of the FTA channels uses a completely different signal. (Prime I think it is called)

If these questions have been asked before in the forums recently please do point me to those posts. (e.g. overseas coming to live in NZ what do I need etc.)

Cheers


For DVB-T you need a UHF aerial, some of the channels have some HD content, most channels are nation wide, some are regional, if you get a receiver that is not freeview approved it should ignore the region locking and the channels outside your region that are broadcast from your local transmitter will be viewable.

For DVB-S you need a sat dish pointed at optus D2 (same direction as Sky TV), no HD content as most of the bandwidth is taken up by Sky, most of the same channels as avaliable on  DVB-T are avaliable on DVB-S but there are some channels avaliable on one but not the other and vice versa.



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  Reply # 789299 29-Mar-2013 16:01
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gregmcc:
For DVB-T you need a UHF aerial, some of the channels have some HD content, most channels are nation wide, some are regional, if you get a receiver that is not freeview approved it should ignore the region locking and the channels outside your region that are broadcast from your local transmitter will be viewable.

For DVB-S you need a sat dish pointed at optus D2 (same direction as Sky TV), no HD content as most of the bandwidth is taken up by Sky, most of the same channels as available on  DVB-T are available on DVB-S but there are some channels available on one but not the other and vice versa.


So really what you are saying is that if you do not want Pay TV then for the Tauranga/Mt Maunganui area get a DVB-T UHF aerial.

Is a FreeView approved receiver advisable? I have heard that FreeView equipped receivers do not permit 30sec ad skipping like my present Aussie Sony PVR does.




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  Reply # 789304 29-Mar-2013 16:20
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The DVB-S (From the Optus D-2 Sat) are free, where as Sky TV from D2 are encripted and require the use of a sky box and card.


Your best bet is DVT-T, more selection of channels, some in HD.

At the moment (IMO) Tivo is the best PVR in NZ, but doesn't allow the 30s skip, basically it'spersonal choice although the restrictions freeview NZ have placed the "Freeview approved" receivers will be missing some features (such as the 30s skip).

Best to do a bit of reasearch 1st as there are a selection of PVR's out there, some double or multi tuners so you can record 2 channels or more at once.



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  Reply # 789310 29-Mar-2013 17:07
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Thanks.

I have been looking closely at  the Magic TV MTV3700TD PVR receiver. I was thinking about a TopField but they seem to have stopped developing Terrestrial machines. Was also looking at the Samsung BD-E8900 but after doing some research today think I might give it a miss.

Also I am an Apple nut and presently have an Apple network running through out the house - iMac > Airport base & Express stations > Apple TV > Home Theatre. In NZ I will want a similar setup but with two iMac's.

Oh and I have an Elgato Tivizen wireless reciever (http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/tuner/tivizen.en.html). I wonder how that will go in NZ?

Anyway still have about year before any decisions have to be made and a year in technology is a long time. But I like to always research and plan well ahead.




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  Reply # 789311 29-Mar-2013 17:09
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Looking at the Tivizen specs, it should work fine.

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  Reply # 789319 29-Mar-2013 17:38
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gregmcc: The DVB-S (From the Optus D-2 Sat) are free, where as Sky TV from D2 are encripted and require the use of a sky box and card.


You mean Optus D1.




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  Reply # 789326 29-Mar-2013 17:43
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I thought D2 looked wrong but I wasn't sure so I didn't want to say anything and potentially embarrass myself :)

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  Reply # 789333 29-Mar-2013 17:49
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Spyware:
gregmcc: The DVB-S (From the Optus D-2 Sat) are free, where as Sky TV from D2 are encripted and require the use of a sky box and card.


You mean Optus D1.


oops, I stand corrected

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  Reply # 789334 29-Mar-2013 17:51
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The only other PVR to consider would be the DMR-BWT720GN from Panasonic - it would offer a BluRay player / ripper + PVR in one box. You can extended storage, and send content directly to Panasonic's iOS app. Of course... in one years time, who knows what will be on the table?

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  Reply # 789579 30-Mar-2013 12:16
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FineWine:Also I have heard that if you use terrestrial you need two aerials as one of the FTA channels uses a completely different signal. (Prime I think it is called) ...

The reason that you heard that is because it was the case for analogue TV when Prime TV was broadcast on UHF and TVOne, TV2 and TV3 were broadcast on VHF frequencies. However analogue broadcasts will all have been closed down by the time you return to NZ and Free to Air digital TV can be received via UHF in "main centres" or via satellite anywhere. UHF is preferable if you are in a reception area as some channels broadcast in HD, free to air satellite broadcasts do not have HD.



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  Reply # 789671 30-Mar-2013 17:12
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Dunnersfella: The only other PVR to consider would be the DMR-BWT720GN from Panasonic - it would offer a BluRay player / ripper + PVR in one box. You can extended storage, and send content directly to Panasonic's iOS app. Of course... in one years time, who knows what will be on the table?


As usual poor old NZ is behind again - Panasonic in Australia has released DMR-BWT820 and in April will be releasing the DMR-BWT835 http://www.panasonic.com.au/Products/DVD+and+Blu-ray/Blu-ray+-+players+and+recorders/DMR-BWT835/Overview The only thing that is really missing is a browser and an iDevice or bluetooth keyboard connectivity..

Come on Apple release that mythical 46 - 56 inch TV with all those internet connectivity thingies and Siri interface, twin tuners, DVD/Bluray, player/recorder, LAN - WiFi,  etc etc. The ALL-IN-ONE dream machine. Smile

Thanks guys for all your help - as I said - A year in Technology is a long time.

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