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Topic # 126762 18-Jul-2013 20:40
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Hi all, we are still using a CRT but it is showing its age.  Parents have been looking at the stores.  They want a 40-42" Full HD LED, don't need Smart b/c they don't know how to use the Internet.  But .. how big is the difference between a 50Hz and a 100Hz model? 

Looking at the brochures and some web searches, the $799 is a 50Hz non Smart etc .. but to get a 100Hz model it might be $1,299 and comes with Smart 3D even thou we don't need it.  From what I have seen there doesn't seem to be TVs at 100Hz without Smart. 

Mainly used to watch dramas, action movies etc...

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Reply # 861845 18-Jul-2013 20:45
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well if they dont need smart and they are like me and dont notice the difference between the 50 and 100 just go for the cheaper one




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  Reply # 861851 18-Jul-2013 20:52
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Many people turn off the 100Hz anyway, as it can make the picture look poor quality, called the soap opera effect. I have 50Hz Sony and am happy with it.

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  Reply # 861852 18-Jul-2013 20:58
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I thought 100Hz on our LG looked surreal for about 3 weeks... wouldn't go back now, it's awesome!

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  Reply # 861869 18-Jul-2013 21:16
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The 'soap opera' effect seems a little overblown... It's typically something people only complain about on the interweb / if they're film buffs who WANT the film-like look.
If you want 100Hz without 'smarts', then I doubt it'll happen. However 100Hz TV's typically come with more connections, better speakers, better contrast etc etc. I'd go for 100Hz every time as a unit with poor motion would drive me INSANE!



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  Reply # 861884 18-Jul-2013 21:56
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Thanks for that :)

Just another question. I've downloaded the users manual / looked at its specs. Both the $799 and $1299 models only have 1x shared AV/Composite input. I have 1x old Sky box and 1x VCR/VHS. So ... is it possible to play the VCR/VHS using a RF cable and plug this into the RF IN to the TV?

I ask b/c with my Terrestrial TV Tuner for my computer, I cannot tune when I plug a VCR/VHS in it.

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  Reply # 861891 18-Jul-2013 22:10
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Why not plug the Sky box into the VCR via RCA cables, then plug the VCR into the TV via RCA...?
Just switch the VCR's input to 'line in' and you'll be away and laughing.

Or, you could hunt down a TV with more RCA inputs?

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  Reply # 861892 18-Jul-2013 22:12
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rayonline: Thanks for that :)

Just another question. I've downloaded the users manual / looked at its specs. Both the $799 and $1299 models only have 1x shared AV/Composite input. I have 1x old Sky box and 1x VCR/VHS. So ... is it possible to play the VCR/VHS using a RF cable and plug this into the RF IN to the TV?

I ask b/c with my Terrestrial TV Tuner for my computer, I cannot tune when I plug a VCR/VHS in it.

Yes you should be able to as the TVs have analogue and digital tuners whereas your computer tuner is digital only and can't tune the analogue signal from the VCR. Will be a crappy picture though as rf is worst possible way to go.



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  Reply # 861903 18-Jul-2013 22:21
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Dunnersfella: Why not plug the Sky box into the VCR via RCA cables, then plug the VCR into the TV via RCA...?
Just switch the VCR's input to 'line in' and you'll be away and laughing.


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That way you could still record from Sky using the VCR.
My son does that with his very old black Sky box - Composite A/V from Sky to Panasonic BluRay Recorder then HDMI from Recorder to TV so he can record Sky or FreeviewHD.


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  Reply # 861906 18-Jul-2013 22:31
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B1GGLZ: 
Yes you should be able to as the TVs have analogue and digital tuners...



Most new TV's don't have analogue tuners any more.

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  Reply # 861925 18-Jul-2013 23:20
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Dunnersfella: The 'soap opera' effect seems a little overblown... It's typically something people only complain about on the interweb / if they're film buffs who WANT the film-like look.
If you want 100Hz without 'smarts', then I doubt it'll happen. However 100Hz TV's typically come with more connections, better speakers, better contrast etc etc. I'd go for 100Hz every time as a unit with poor motion would drive me INSANE!


I think it depends ont ehbrand of TV. Some of the cheap house brand ones you see at the warehouse or DSE, seem to have steaky motion. But non motionflow sony ones don't seem to have that problem. I have an 10 year old LCD tv, and it is very streaky with motion, but my new one is fine. Also I think size of the panel seems to make a difference, as smaller ones don't seem to suffer from it as much.

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  Reply # 861944 19-Jul-2013 06:20
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Remember that all TV broadcasts (and content such as DVD's) is all 50Hz. All your TV is doing is interpolating additional frames.




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  Reply # 862000 19-Jul-2013 09:26
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Just another silly question. I had a look at the specs and user manuals. Incl the LED 42" vanilla and smarts, and the 50 or 52" Plasmas vanillas.

They have builtin Freeview tuners but they don't seem to list a video output or a HDMI output, so how does one record Freeview TV? There is a Audio output and/or a Digital Audio output.  Just via USB?

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  Reply # 862002 19-Jul-2013 09:31
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rayonline: Just another silly question. I had a look at the specs and user manuals. Incl the LED 42" vanilla and smarts, and the 50 or 52" Plasmas vanillas.

They have builtin Freeview tuners but they don't seem to list a video output or a HDMI output, so how does one record Freeview TV? There is a Audio output and/or a Digital Audio output.


If you want to use your VCR to record freeview you will need a separate set top box. Your VCR is effectively obsolete with the digital switch over as it doesn't have a digital tuner. That and watching a VCR on a full HD panel will be horrifically bad.

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  Reply # 862008 19-Jul-2013 09:44
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I dont think any TVs have video output - I could be wrong but havent seen it.

Some of the 'smart' TVs have the ability to record to USB device though as you have noticed.
Obviously as they mostly just have a single tuner that would mean you could not watch a different channel and record another - though some might let you if that channel was on the same mux.
(mux is short for multiplax). The channels are broadcast in groups (roughly TV1,2,1+1,U is one Mux, TV3,4,3+1 C4 is another etc).
So you might be able to watch TV1 and record TV2 at the same time.

There have been a couple of TVs with dual tuners that would let you watch one channel and record any other channel you like - not sure which ones currently support this though.

If you want to do a lot of recording maybe a freeview recorder would be best.

Maybe its worth noting that the reason that LED/LCD tvs started going 100hz was to try and make sure the image was drawn faster enough to give smother movement. You will note Plasmas might not appear to have such a high refresh rate but they actually draw the image very quickly anyway - so used to be regarded as better for quick action - That said Panasonic quote the plasmas as 600hz - I think that's because the panel is divided into sections and each draws at (say) 50hz and they multiply the numbers together to give 600hz.
Ignore the rate and just watch some quick moving scenes and see if it looks pleasantly smooth.
Dont ignore plasma in your selection.





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  Reply # 862015 19-Jul-2013 09:59
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Ok - I'm going to have a look at the store with them today (my parents). They are not technology minded, nor know how to use the Internet hence the non-Smarts. If we put the VCR out of the picture, do non-Smarts record on USB? Because that might be the only avenue - other than getting a separate decoder box.

Aside, we have old Sky because we subscribe to World TV (the Asian Sky channels), that is not HD. Is that ok with LCD screens because that is the only option in NZ for those viewers.

Edit - but yeah ... with old Sky we could just run the output from the old Sky to the VCR.  Won't be HD thou, diff to the Freeview HD built into the TV itself ........

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