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  Reply # 871087 3-Aug-2013 08:10
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As for purchasing something from netflix: as I see it different people own different distribution rights in different countries, if you circumvent geoblocking in order to purchase something your still infringing on the copyright of the local copyright holder. I doubt anyone will ever be pinged for it, but I don't actually see how it's legal.


Why would downloading be different to the physical product? In NZ it is not illegal to parallel import genuine product that's not region coded for NZ or modify players to play such product. The Warehouse sell a lot of Region 2 DVD.


It's illegal in the USA, when you break netflix TOS, and it's illegal here, when you violate the local rights holders copyright. In this instance your also smuggling product that is barred for export from the origin country, unlike DVDs that may have been approved for export. Since it's illegitimate I don't see how it can be 'genuine product'. if it's not genuine product, then it's illegal.


I don't think it is illegal. You cannot end up with a conviction for breaching a websites TOS. As far as breaching the local rights holders copyright, I do not believe you are. You are simply parallel importing something that is available elsewhere (otherwise buying a Bluray from Amazon UK for a show which hasn't screened here yet would be illegal wouldn't it?)

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  Reply # 871096 3-Aug-2013 08:36
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PaulBags:
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As for purchasing something from netflix: as I see it different people own different distribution rights in different countries, if you circumvent geoblocking in order to purchase something your still infringing on the copyright of the local copyright holder. I doubt anyone will ever be pinged for it, but I don't actually see how it's legal.


Why would downloading be different to the physical product? In NZ it is not illegal to parallel import genuine product that's not region coded for NZ or modify players to play such product. The Warehouse sell a lot of Region 2 DVD.


It's illegal in the USA, when you break netflix TOS, and it's illegal here, when you violate the local rights holders copyright. In this instance your also smuggling product that is barred for export from the origin country, unlike DVDs that may have been approved for export. Since it's illegitimate I don't see how it can be 'genuine product'. if it's not genuine product, then it's illegal.


I don't think it is illegal. You cannot end up with a conviction for breaching a websites TOS. As far as breaching the local rights holders copyright, I do not believe you are. You are simply parallel importing something that is available elsewhere (otherwise buying a Bluray from Amazon UK for a show which hasn't screened here yet would be illegal wouldn't it?)


I have to concede that your right. Still seems like a grey area, since netflix doesn't necessarily have the right to export to you; but I think if anything you'd be getting netflix in hot water not yourself.

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  Reply # 871100 3-Aug-2013 09:27
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AppleJackXD:
freitasm: It always surprises me how people can so openly declare to everyone how they are doing something illegal.


Nothing illegal about me downloading old tapes of WCW which is a non existent wrestling promotion that shut down in  2001 tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. Also last time i checked downloading movies from solarmovie.so is not illegal if it where illegal they wouldn't still be around after 4 years. I have researched this as well and the United States is 100 percent aok with sollarmovie as is europe asia africa and australasia.


You have to inform yourself about copyright. Just because it's a "non existent wrestling promotion" it doesn't mean the original copyright owner doesn't have rights. Also, just because there's a site where you can download things doesn't make it "legal".

People for example buy movies in Russian sites and think "if they accept credit card it must be legal". Hmmm, no, they're not.







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  Reply # 871193 3-Aug-2013 13:29
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AppleJackXD:
freitasm: It always surprises me how people can so openly declare to everyone how they are doing something illegal.


Nothing illegal about me downloading old tapes of WCW which is a non existent wrestling promotion that shut down in  2001 tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. Also last time i checked downloading movies from solarmovie.so is not illegal if it where illegal they wouldn't still be around after 4 years. I have researched this as well and the United States is 100 percent aok with sollarmovie as is europe asia africa and australasia.


You have to inform yourself about copyright. Just because it's a "non existent wrestling promotion" it doesn't mean the original copyright owner doesn't have rights. Also, just because there's a site where you can download things doesn't make it "legal".

People for example buy movies in Russian sites and think "if they accept credit card it must be legal". Hmmm, no, they're not.



I thought i made it quite clear in my statement you quoted i quote again  tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv (Formally TNT broadcasting who made wcw nitro programming) against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. If time warner told wcw to go f them selves no you cant watch one of the most iconic eras of wrestling history because i have rights he would A probably be beaten and his house burned down ( he would be the most hated man in wrestling history ) 2 he wouldn't do that , You are not a wrestling fan from my point of view as a fan who has been watching since i was 10 11 years old someone who knows nothing saying what your saying seems leaves me god smacked , Just sit in my shoes and read what you have just said. I find it funny ppl telling me other ppl aren't aloud to share video tapes with other ppl of wrestling shows they recorded in the 90s using the record function and blank tapes provide by vcr and video tape manufactures.

At the end of the day im still gonna download my wrestling wcw thunder and tnt from the wrestling forums where they're being shared regardless of what anyone says. If someone wants to share an old grainy vcr recording they recorded 20 years ago of some wcw they can ,Im not gonna sit here and have someone tell me i can't  port some wcw from a video tape to my computer clean the video quality up put it on usb stick and give it to my neighbor because he doesn't own a vcr anymore all he has is a blu ray dvd player lol

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  Reply # 871194 3-Aug-2013 13:30
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AppleJackXD:
freitasm:
AppleJackXD:
freitasm: It always surprises me how people can so openly declare to everyone how they are doing something illegal.


Nothing illegal about me downloading old tapes of WCW which is a non existent wrestling promotion that shut down in  2001 tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. Also last time i checked downloading movies from solarmovie.so is not illegal if it where illegal they wouldn't still be around after 4 years. I have researched this as well and the United States is 100 percent aok with sollarmovie as is europe asia africa and australasia.


You have to inform yourself about copyright. Just because it's a "non existent wrestling promotion" it doesn't mean the original copyright owner doesn't have rights. Also, just because there's a site where you can download things doesn't make it "legal".

People for example buy movies in Russian sites and think "if they accept credit card it must be legal". Hmmm, no, they're not.



I thought i made it quite clear in my statement you quoted i quote again  tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv (Formally TNT broadcasting who made wcw nitro programming) against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. If time warner told wcw to go f them selves no you cant watch one of the most iconic eras of wrestling history because i have rights he would A probably be beaten and his house burned down ( he would be the most hated man in wrestling history ) 2 he wouldn't do that , You are not a wrestling fan from my point of view as a fan who has been watching since i was 10 11 years old someone who knows nothing saying what your saying seems leaves me god smacked , Just sit in my shoes and read what you have just said. I find it funny ppl telling me other ppl aren't aloud to share video tapes with other ppl of wrestling shows they recorded in the 90s using the record function and blank tapes provide by vcr and video tape manufactures.


Please point us to an official statement saying these downloads are available without copyright.





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AppleJackXD:
freitasm:
AppleJackXD:
freitasm: It always surprises me how people can so openly declare to everyone how they are doing something illegal.


Nothing illegal about me downloading old tapes of WCW which is a non existent wrestling promotion that shut down in  2001 tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. Also last time i checked downloading movies from solarmovie.so is not illegal if it where illegal they wouldn't still be around after 4 years. I have researched this as well and the United States is 100 percent aok with sollarmovie as is europe asia africa and australasia.


You have to inform yourself about copyright. Just because it's a "non existent wrestling promotion" it doesn't mean the original copyright owner doesn't have rights. Also, just because there's a site where you can download things doesn't make it "legal".

People for example buy movies in Russian sites and think "if they accept credit card it must be legal". Hmmm, no, they're not.



I thought i made it quite clear in my statement you quoted i quote again  tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv (Formally TNT broadcasting who made wcw nitro programming) against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. If time warner told wcw to go f them selves no you cant watch one of the most iconic eras of wrestling history because i have rights he would A probably be beaten and his house burned down ( he would be the most hated man in wrestling history ) 2 he wouldn't do that , You are not a wrestling fan from my point of view as a fan who has been watching since i was 10 11 years old someone who knows nothing saying what your saying seems leaves me god smacked , Just sit in my shoes and read what you have just said. I find it funny ppl telling me other ppl aren't aloud to share video tapes with other ppl of wrestling shows they recorded in the 90s using the record function and blank tapes provide by vcr and video tape manufactures.



I think you took freitism the wrong way and need to read what he said without going all defensive.

Lastly, I think you are quite rude in the way you approach and talk to people on here and your attitude needs some adjustment.
You say to people to answer your question so if its just the question you want answered without discussion then use Google, here people share thier opinions some helpful some not but thats forums.





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  Reply # 871201 3-Aug-2013 13:46
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AppleJackXD:
freitasm:
AppleJackXD:
freitasm: It always surprises me how people can so openly declare to everyone how they are doing something illegal.


Nothing illegal about me downloading old tapes of WCW which is a non existent wrestling promotion that shut down in  2001 tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. Also last time i checked downloading movies from solarmovie.so is not illegal if it where illegal they wouldn't still be around after 4 years. I have researched this as well and the United States is 100 percent aok with sollarmovie as is europe asia africa and australasia.


You have to inform yourself about copyright. Just because it's a "non existent wrestling promotion" it doesn't mean the original copyright owner doesn't have rights. Also, just because there's a site where you can download things doesn't make it "legal".

People for example buy movies in Russian sites and think "if they accept credit card it must be legal". Hmmm, no, they're not.



I thought i made it quite clear in my statement you quoted i quote again  tnt was the broadcasting company which is now spike tv and there are no objections by spike tv (Formally TNT broadcasting who made wcw nitro programming) against wrestling fans downloading their old house taping of wcw which is a massive part of wrestling history and a large part of it has been lost forever. If time warner told wcw to go f them selves no you cant watch one of the most iconic eras of wrestling history because i have rights he would A probably be beaten and his house burned down ( he would be the most hated man in wrestling history ) 2 he wouldn't do that , You are not a wrestling fan from my point of view as a fan who has been watching since i was 10 11 years old someone who knows nothing saying what your saying seems leaves me god smacked , Just sit in my shoes and read what you have just said. I find it funny ppl telling me other ppl aren't aloud to share video tapes with other ppl of wrestling shows they recorded in the 90s using the record function and blank tapes provide by vcr and video tape manufactures.



I think you took freitism the wrong way and need to read what he said without going all defensive.

Lastly, I think you are quite rude in the way you approach and talk to people on here and your attitude needs some adjustment.
You say to people to answer your question so if its just the question you want answered without discussion then use Google, here people share thier opinions some helpful some not but thats forums.



Yeah well what the hell man i feel like im under investigation from the video tape police he got me feeling like time warner is gonna bust through my door with the fbi because i was thinking about downloading some wcw nitro of of a wrestling forum ,and aren't i also sharing my opinion and views too ? after all this has turned into a debate about something that is not the key focus of the thread the key focus of it and point was what is the best way to do dvds , I do not care if ppl dont use dvd anymore i dont care if you have a 1 million terabyte hardrive.... I have a dvd burner i still like dvd ,most ppl don't watch vhs videotapes or even own a vcr anymore ,if i still had a vcr or could find one.... they're all out at the second hand redshed in chch i would still be recording television using my vcr..... Just because someone else doesn't like or thinks that a certain format is old doesn't mean that others dont still like and use those formats...... Look at vinyl DJ's use vinyl still to this day why because its the best way to DJ at a party vinyl is what 30 40 years old 40 years later we still have ppl pressing vinyl and company's making turntables for ppl to DJ with.

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  Reply # 871262 3-Aug-2013 16:45
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You're being hysterical and irrational. You should try and calm down a little bit, before you hurt yourself or others. It would also be nice if you could prove even just some of your statements. You say you've done research, show it to us; or accept that some people are going to disagree with you. Throwing a tantrum will convince no-one.

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  Reply # 871290 3-Aug-2013 17:25
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As Freitasm suggested - perhaps you should have kept this to yourself, you never know who's watching although I seriously doubt anyone is going to be breaking down your door anytime soon!!!

I thought that one of the points of the Sky Net law change purposefully omitted format shifting of video.

So even if the website allows you to download and keep the videos for personal consumption, converting the videos into DVD is technically breaking the law unless you have express permission from the copyright owner. Well that's how I read it! So, keep the files in the format they were provided and back them up without conversion onto DVD or HDD as files. Remember, every time you convert something you generally lose something!




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PaulBags: You're being hysterical and irrational. You should try and calm down a little bit, before you hurt yourself or others. It would also be nice if you could prove even just some of your statements. You say you've done research, show it to us; or accept that some people are going to disagree with you. Throwing a tantrum will convince no-one.


This.

Everyone on here has submitted help, in the form of suggesting to keep the files as files, and/or advice re copyright issues. No one has argued the point, they have merely done what forum inhabitors do, help and advise, for the benefit of the OP.

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Putting aside the copyright arguments, you have two choices on transfer to DVD:

1. Convert to DVD format - there is plenty of software out there to do that. However the conversion from one codec to another (mpeg2) will reduce quality. You will however be able to play the DVDs as per a normal DVD on any old DVD player that is compatible with written disks (as opposed to commercially manufactured ones).

Pros: playable on DVD player
Can do menus

Cons: It will be quite wasteful of space (mpeg2)
It will take a long time to re-encode to DVD format

2. Simply write the files to DVD as data. That will be quicker and easier but will only play on a computer or on a DVD player that plays the format and codec you have downloaded. (Many DVD Players will play xvid/divx in an avi container).

Pros: Quick and easy

Cons: Won't play in some DVD Players so watching at aunt Flo's is probably no go.

Personally I am an advocate of "run a server in your basement with all your media on it. Have a media PC next to each TV to play your media. No more finding the right disk, it's all there from your sofa" - However I appreciate that's not your idiom so I hope the above is helpful.

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  Reply # 878101 14-Aug-2013 13:43
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WOW I have had a good chuckle reading this thread .....




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  Reply # 881095 19-Aug-2013 16:17
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Do not burn to DVDs.

Do not even burn to Blu-rays. Most blank discs available in NZ will not last more than 12 months and in long run this will be much more expensive and time consuming than simply buying a couple of cheap Seagate 4TB hard drives and keeping your videos safe on them.

Speaking from experience.
I've switched from CDs to DVDs in 2002, from DVDs to Blu-rays in 2009, and from Blu-rays to HDDs in 2011. Cheapest, most flexible and most reliable solution nowadays.

Hope this helps

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  Reply # 881208 19-Aug-2013 20:15
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toaster: ... Most blank discs available in NZ will not last more than 12 months ...

I have blank discs older than this, and every disc I have burnt to is still readable. In fact most don't have a single scratch.

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