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  Reply # 919229 21-Oct-2013 15:03
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timbosan: I was thinking about the same idea for my collection, however streaming services offer crappy audio quality, and there are no HD streaming services in NZ.

networkn - when you RIP is it to uncompressed (FLAC, etc.) or MP3 (if so how compressed)?


Spotify high quality streaming has Ogg Vorbis 320 Kbit/s stream. I doubt you will be able to distinguish between that and CD-quality in a blind test.



Precisely. It does not matter how nice your kit is if your ears can't distinguish streaming audio from CD audio (which 99.99% of people cannot do).


Yes I would admit this to be true, I wasn't aware of the 320K streaming when I made my original assertions. I'll have a look. It's still not my preferred method of solving this problem.

I still like to buy and "own" my music. 



From your statement about your needs and wants where your music is concerned, I think the only way you will get the control and ubiquity you want is to curate your own collection and make it available via your NAS (and local storage where supported, since the NAS makes that simple too). 

Spotify is a good service, and if it has all the music you want then probably a good option. For myself there was a not insignificant portion of my collection unavailable through Spotify, so Spotify couldn't be a one-stop shop for me, there would have inevitably been some fragmentation. Since that is essentially the core of your problem to begin with it may not be for you either, even if you're happy with 320K.




Yah I may end up with Spotify. I have found everything in my current collection that I have gone looking for but I am still struggling with the idea of needing a subscription and "owning" my music. 

I am thinking I might play more with the NAS/Foobar thing and see if I can have it get the music from my itunes, google music, and amazon collection somehow.

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  Reply # 919230 21-Oct-2013 15:04
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just going to throw this out there, even though its not what youre after, but you might want to know about it (if you dont already)

pandora.com

Ive completely ditched having mp3s, CDs etc, and now just create "stations" in pandora and it streams me music of those stations and similar songs, eg i have a "Johnny Cash" station, it plays johnny cash but also lots of similar music to it. You can then rate a song (like/dislike, not stars) so it wont play a disliked song again.

That way you're not always listening to the same music over and over. the monthly subscription is cheap and gets rid of the ads. well worth it IMO.

but I realise you want to own your music, not pay for a streaming service, but still worth a look.


I found services like rdio I had to keep adding music to a station/playlist, otherwise I kept listening to the same things over and over and I got really sick of that, thats why I love pandora so much.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 919233 21-Oct-2013 15:12
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networkn: Yah I may end up with Spotify. I have found everything in my current collection that I have gone looking for but I am still struggling with the idea of needing a subscription and "owning" my music. 

I am thinking I might play more with the NAS/Foobar thing and see if I can have it get the music from my itunes, google music, and amazon collection somehow.


Which NAS have you got? Should be possible do have things presented on an amalgamated front from there for the most part, apps like Bubble UPnP support Google Play music as well as streaming from NAS servers and the like.

For myself I'm just glad I've always had the long game in mind with my collection - always purchased physical media so that I have it all under control. No multiple services, no DRM, no proprietary formats. Used to have the collection in mp3 format, recently re-ripped it all to FLAC as FLAC playback and storage space are ubiquitous enough to do allow that.

I tend to use services like Pandora and Spotify from time to time for music discovery, but anything I like I purchase on CD.




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  Reply # 919234 21-Oct-2013 15:14
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networkn: Yah I may end up with Spotify. I have found everything in my current collection that I have gone looking for but I am still struggling with the idea of needing a subscription and "owning" my music. 

I am thinking I might play more with the NAS/Foobar thing and see if I can have it get the music from my itunes, google music, and amazon collection somehow.


Which NAS have you got? Should be possible do have things presented on an amalgamated front from there for the most part, apps like Bubble UPnP support Google Play music as well as streaming from NAS servers and the like.

For myself I'm just glad I've always had the long game in mind with my collection - always purchased physical media so that I have it all under control. No multiple services, no DRM, no proprietary formats. Used to have the collection in mp3 format, recently re-ripped it all to FLAC as FLAC playback and storage space are ubiquitous enough to do allow that.

I tend to use services like Pandora and Spotify from time to time for music discovery, but anything I like I purchase on CD.


I have a ReadyNAS from Netgear, but will likely move to a Synology at some point. The readynas supports being a DLNA Server. Keeping it Sync'd will be the biggest obstacle but I perhaps just need to spend more time exploring the options. 




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  Reply # 919235 21-Oct-2013 15:16
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reven: just going to throw this out there, even though its not what youre after, but you might want to know about it (if you dont already)

pandora.com

Ive completely ditched having mp3s, CDs etc, and now just create "stations" in pandora and it streams me music of those stations and similar songs, eg i have a "Johnny Cash" station, it plays johnny cash but also lots of similar music to it. You can then rate a song (like/dislike, not stars) so it wont play a disliked song again.

That way you're not always listening to the same music over and over. the monthly subscription is cheap and gets rid of the ads. well worth it IMO.

but I realise you want to own your music, not pay for a streaming service, but still worth a look.


I found services like rdio I had to keep adding music to a station/playlist, otherwise I kept listening to the same things over and over and I got really sick of that, thats why I love pandora so much.


Hi There!

Yup I am aware of Pandora, but don't really like the Radio format, I like my stuff arranged my Artist and Album.


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  Reply # 919247 21-Oct-2013 15:36
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I've recently bought a Synology DiskStation 213J and moved all my music files on to a central place. With the Synology DS audio on the iPad I can play directly off the NAS or pull the files onto the iPad for offline consumption.

The 213j also acts very well as a DLNA and iTunes server and so has pretty much all the bases covered for me. I'm pretty sure the Android app is the same.

Also works with airplay (tested) and other network connected UPnP devices like speakers (not tested as I don't have any). Works like a dream with the Raspberry Pi and my Smart TV for all media.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synology.DSaudio&hl=en

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  Reply # 919249 21-Oct-2013 15:38
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StarBlazer: I've recently bought a Synology DiskStation 213J and moved all my music files on to a central place. With the Synology DS audio on the iPad I can play directly off the NAS or pull the files onto the iPad for offline consumption.

The 213j also acts very well as a DLNA and iTunes server and so has pretty much all the bases covered for me. I'm pretty sure the Android app is the same.

Also works with airplay (tested) and other network connected UPnP devices like speakers (not tested as I don't have any). Works like a dream with the Raspberry Pi and my Smart TV for all media.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synology.DSaudio&hl=en

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Yah I'll just need to wait a few months before I jump brands of NAS right now, I just dropped a bomb on a new projector and a somewhat earlier than expected HT Amplifier upgrade!

I see the readynas has an iTunes Server too. 




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  Reply # 919253 21-Oct-2013 15:49
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Hmm well I just found what I suspect will put a nail into the Rdio/spotify idea, one artist I did a search for has about two dozen tracks unplayable. I have never seen that before, but it's far from ideal.

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  Reply # 919262 21-Oct-2013 16:06
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networkn: Hmm well I just found what I suspect will put a nail into the Rdio/spotify idea, one artist I did a search for has about two dozen tracks unplayable. I have never seen that before, but it's far from ideal.


unplayable?  or just not on the service?

worth trying other services too.  I understand Deezer is quite good.



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  Reply # 919264 21-Oct-2013 16:09
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networkn: Hmm well I just found what I suspect will put a nail into the Rdio/spotify idea, one artist I did a search for has about two dozen tracks unplayable. I have never seen that before, but it's far from ideal.


unplayable?  or just not on the service?

worth trying other services too.  I understand Deezer is quite good.


The three I tried have the same problem. Strangely some of the tracks are the title tracks for the albums and the most popular tracks for the album too. 


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  Reply # 919284 21-Oct-2013 16:55
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Re: Synology.

You should know that Plex server is available for a lot of Synology devices. The combination of Plex server on the Synology DS-1512+ that I have and the Plex media player on the Samsung TV is really nice.




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  Reply # 919286 21-Oct-2013 16:58
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networkn: Hmm well I just found what I suspect will put a nail into the Rdio/spotify idea, one artist I did a search for has about two dozen tracks unplayable. I have never seen that before, but it's far from ideal.


You are aware that you can scan your computer and get access to music that is not available in Spotify? 

Showing songs and them not being available is pretty annoying, and you can send your "love" to the record companies being so hard about licensing their music. It must be like herding cats to deal with all the different licensing deals you have to get to make something available internationally, because it requires licensing agreements for every single country.

In any of the streaming services you could experience that songs that are available today won't be tomorrow - and that is perhaps one of the best reasons to stay away. That said, having access to an incredible huge library of music at your fingertips really makes Spotify worth the subsciption fee. 




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  Reply # 919449 21-Oct-2013 21:47
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I pretty much exclusively use rdio for music now.

If its not on rdio and I want to hear it, they get no money because I get it elsewhere (torrents or file lockers)

If its not on rdio and I dont want to hear it, they get no money because it will never come up on one of the stations.

If they want money, they need to be on rdio. I have no sympathy for wally artists like that radiohead guy who overvalue what they produce based on values of an arcane business model shifting shiny discs around in trucks and shops.

I have about 3TB on a computer in a mirror of my lossless music - self ripped and aquired other ways, another 2TB mirror of the lossy stuff, but to be honest that just sits idle now. rdio is just so much easier. Have the crappy little android TV stick that does a good enough job playing it over HDMI, under remote control from a smart phone or else driven locally (the UI is laggy on the underpowered stick but playback is fine)




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  Reply # 919454 21-Oct-2013 21:57
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richms: I pretty much exclusively use rdio for music now.

If its not on rdio and I want to hear it, they get no money because I get it elsewhere (torrents or file lockers)

If its not on rdio and I dont want to hear it, they get no money because it will never come up on one of the stations.

If they want money, they need to be on rdio. I have no sympathy for wally artists like that radiohead guy who overvalue what they produce based on values of an arcane business model shifting shiny discs around in trucks and shops.

I have about 3TB on a computer in a mirror of my lossless music - self ripped and aquired other ways, another 2TB mirror of the lossy stuff, but to be honest that just sits idle now. rdio is just so much easier. Have the crappy little android TV stick that does a good enough job playing it over HDMI, under remote control from a smart phone or else driven locally (the UI is laggy on the underpowered stick but playback is fine)


Except in 95% of cases it's not the artist who controls the music, but the record company who make decisions based on a logic almost no-one understands but them!


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  Reply # 919456 21-Oct-2013 22:00
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Except in 95% of cases it's not the artist who controls the music, but the record company who make decisions based on a logic almost no-one understands but them!


Not my problem.

What really annoys is when there is a best of album with many missing tracks, but those tracks are all available on other things like "now thats what I call music 63" or a xmas compilation CD or something.




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